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Why birds do not fall while sleeping

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230 points mdp2021 | 11 comments | 15 Oct 24 08:56 UTC | HN request time: 0.265s | source | bottom
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Crazyontap ◴[17 Oct 24 03:05 UTC] No.41866060[source]▶
When I was younger, I was fascinated by evolution, especially the intricacies of how things just work. This fascination also explains why many people believe in the intelligent design theory.

However, witnessing the rapid evolution of AI with just a few hundred GPUs, enough data, and power, I no longer wonder what a billion years of feedback loops and randomness can achieve.

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1. utkarsh858 ◴[17 Oct 24 03:37 UTC] No.41866202[source]▶
Rapid evolution of AI needs a director, a human training and guiding it to get tangible results.
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2. cryptoz ◴[17 Oct 24 03:44 UTC] No.41866229[source]▶
For now.
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3. utkarsh858 ◴[17 Oct 24 04:09 UTC] No.41866342[source]▶
The AI guiding and training another AI will in turn need guidance on higher level.
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4. bamboozled ◴[17 Oct 24 04:13 UTC] No.41866361[source]▶
Which is built on all this "billions of years of randomness" to begin with.
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5. utkarsh858 ◴[17 Oct 24 04:16 UTC] No.41866377[source]▶
Random, that's what we think, bacteria living in gut can also think the whole digestive process to be part of some random universal law
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6. setum ◴[17 Oct 24 04:17 UTC] No.41866389{3}[source]▶
until it breaks the loop
7. utkarsh858 ◴[17 Oct 24 04:21 UTC] No.41866401{3}[source]▶
Even if it does break the loop, it would always be named as started by a 'creator' or an initiator. And also the AI will require power source to maintain itself which will be provided by creatures outside it's system.
8. hnhg ◴[17 Oct 24 04:49 UTC] No.41866499{3}[source]▶
Using your analogy, it's absolutely unknowable to bacteria, and therefore absolutely unknowable to us. Random is perhaps the most intellectually honest way of describing it, since it is widely accepted that randomness is a feature of relatively uncomplicated systems.
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9. utkarsh858 ◴[17 Oct 24 05:29 UTC] No.41866675{4}[source]▶
What is called as 'Random', I will term it as 'free will'. In case of a human training an AI, free will be of the human and in case of creation of universe free will be that of the 'intelligent designer'
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10. asimovfan ◴[17 Oct 24 07:21 UTC] No.41867219{5}[source]▶
at least for human it is definitely not 'free will' as it is influenced by everything that has happened to it before and would not have made the same choices, if it had been influenced by other things in another way.
11. fennecbutt ◴[21 Oct 24 22:35 UTC] No.41909293[source]▶
Isn't our evolution directed by both the (fixed) laws of physics and by the (random) efforts of all other life forms on this planet?