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58 points sumeruchat | 11 comments | | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom

Hello HN,

This a small side project I built a few months ago and I find myself using it quite often to stay up to date so I thought I should share.

Its updated every few hours.

Feedback welcome.

https://cleannews.fyi

1. ranger_danger ◴[] No.41865273[source]
What does "clean" mean in this context?
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2. sumeruchat ◴[] No.41865299[source]
Clean in this context means clean from clickbait headlines and presenting information more factually
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3. unsnap_biceps ◴[] No.41865352[source]
How do you determine factually? Or do you filter out anything that isn't described as factual?

For example, you have

"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says North Korea has become directly involved in the war, with a senior Ukrainian intelligence official saying around 3,000 North Korean troops are now in Russia, and are training for deployment to Russian-occupied territories. (Politico)"

which I have no clue if this is factual. How did you determine that it's factual?

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4. sumeruchat ◴[] No.41865407{3}[source]
When i say factual i mean a description thats straightforward and objective. No sensationalism or misleading framing to provoke an emotional reaction
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5. mattcantstop ◴[] No.41865440{4}[source]
Are you changing the titles to remove anything emotional or misleading manually, through AI, or some other way?
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6. axelthegerman ◴[] No.41865460{4}[source]
Fully makes sense plus I appreciate the source right there in the title so you can use that as well to decide how trustworthy it might be. Well done
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7. sumeruchat ◴[] No.41865489{5}[source]
The source I am using is already doing a good job at that but i plan to use more sources (for example reddit) and use gpt to remove misleading titles if there is enough interest in the project.
8. sumeruchat ◴[] No.41865508{5}[source]
Thanks for the kind words :)
9. defrost ◴[] No.41865532{3}[source]
I worked in the energy+mineral intelligence domain developing work that was subscribed to by investors and later sold to S&P (of the index).

The "is it factual" rule here is simpler than you may think* - in your example, can it be verified by multiple credible sources that

* Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said "as quoted", and that

* A senior Ukrainian intelligence official said "as quoted"

If so then it's fine to report that .. it's factual that they made the statements, whether what they said is also true is a seperate matter that may or may not be addressed in another reported snippet.

In the aggragator case here they're not even making the claim that "Volodymyr Zelenskyy said {X}" .. instead they are asserting as fact that "Politico reported that {Y}" .. which can be verified by a secure link to the Politico source.

* Until recently ...

Today, of course, there's highly credible in appearence generated video of public figures saying things they never said - this is the current challenge.

The means to address that is to chain reported news to sources and develop better tools to probe that chain for BS. A work in progress.

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10. sumeruchat ◴[] No.41865624{4}[source]
Thats interesting. Will use this definition in the about page in the future :)
11. ranger_danger ◴[] No.41873872{4}[source]
What's considered "credible" is also going to be endlessly argued as well. Same for clickbait.