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572 points bookofjoe | 167 comments | | HN request time: 1.333s | source | bottom
1. pfooti ◴[] No.41864842[source]
I have a pretty old paperwhite. When it started deleting books i had side-loaded via calibre, I decided to get a kobo. I have a libra color, and I have to say: price notwithstanding, it's a great device. I don't have a lot of experience with more recent devices, but compared to my 2nd gen paperwhite, it is _amazing_.

Color is good enough to read comic books on it, the google drive integration means it's not too hard to get my CBR/CBZ files on directly. The annotation / notetaking featureas are nice (I haven't leaned into them yet, but they work well even on the small screen size), plus all the regular stuff with normal book reading. Also, since it's kobo/rakuten, the libby integration is better (search and select library books right from the device).

The actual reading app is maybe 90% as good as reading on the kindle (or a more specialized reader like perfectviewer on android). There's some annoyingly fiddly features- font size is kind of weirdly variable, when going through CBR files there's no "read next in the folder" gesture nor is there a "this is read/unread" state in the google drive ui, so you always have to remember which book you are finishing when opening the next in the series.

I tried out one of those boox readers with the android apps, which would be even better software-wise, but the boox hardware seems like garbage (for an N=1 at least). My display came with several rows of stuck pixels, and apparently it's a good thing that I ordered from amazon instead of the boox store, because the reviews indicate getting an RMA from boox directly is a pain.

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2. koyote ◴[] No.41865054[source]
> When it started deleting books i had side-loaded via calibre

Could you expand on that? I load all my books via calibre but I also have the kindle set to aeroplane mode at all times. Does this happen when syncing?

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3. qazxcvbnm ◴[] No.41865136[source]
Happened to me too… Yes, it happened during syncing. I searched up on how to disable Kindle auto update and it’s happening less, but last time I bought a book from Kindle store I got bit again. I guess it’s a sign to stop feeding the hand that bites me.
4. wooque ◴[] No.41865143[source]
It deletes all side-loaded books when you connect it to the internet, happened to me as well.
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5. Latty ◴[] No.41865144[source]
I've got a Boox Note 3 and love it for what it is (my hardware has been fine), but I'd find it very hard to recommend generally. Boox are dodgy at best (GPL violations, random connections to china, etc...), you start with an already old version of Android and if lucky you might get another major version, they aren't cheap, Android stuff is mostly not designed for black-and-white/low refresh rate and some apps have unreadable buttons, things like that.

But, with that all said... it's great for my specific uses. Android is just so much better if you want to run self-hosted stuff. When it dies or the software just gets that old I'll be really at a loss for what to get to replace it.

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6. stevepike ◴[] No.41865197{3}[source]
It doesn't do this for me. I've got side-loaded and Amazon store books on the same device, no problem.
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7. abound ◴[] No.41865231[source]
Yeah, I have a Max Lumi and I feel broadly the same way. My hardware has been great, I use it daily and have read 100s of books and written thousands of pages of notes on it, but wouldn't necessarily recommend it to others because I think mine has already stopped getting updates, the GPL violations aren't great, and the cloud stuff seems a bit dodgy.

On the cloud stuff though -- note syncing has support for WebDAV, so I've fully disabled the Boox Cloud integration and all notes get synced to my self-hosted OwnCloud server, which is nice.

I'd love to figure out how to install some stock Android or Linux on it down the road, though Boox's notes + reading apps are really quite good, and likely very optimized for the hardware.

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9. freedomben ◴[] No.41865270{4}[source]
It also deleted all my side-loaded books. That was the last straw for me. I only buy DRM-free media from now on and only use respectful hardware. I use my Remarkable 2 primarily for e-reading now, though I concede fully it's not the best user experience for reading. But I don't have to worry that it will delete my books! I can also now "write in the margins" which I've found to be a powerful way to take notes. I can't bring myself to write on physical books, but with Remarkable you can have a copy that is stock and a copy with your notes on it. Best of both worlds!
10. jorgesborges ◴[] No.41865315[source]
I stopped using Calibre because it turned out to be more annoying than simply emailing an epub to my designated kindle address. I've never had anything removed. Most of the content comes from libgen.
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11. hasbot ◴[] No.41865379{3}[source]
Huh. All my books are side-loaded and I've not had any issues.
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12. jacurtis ◴[] No.41865383{3}[source]
That is strange. I have had a Kindle for years (probably around a decade), upgrading mutliple times. I am using a Paperwhite Signature for the past year or so and I have not experienced this with any books. I have probably 70% Amazon purchased books, but that still leaves a decent amount of side-loaded books (mostly epub).

The only annoying thing I experience is that the cover art will unload on the side-loaded books where you just get the generic cover with the text of the book. But once you click the book it loads the artwork, which seems to last a few days before quickly going back to the generic cover. But the book itself never leaves the device. I can't say I have experienced this ever (except for once, mentioned below) and I have over 150 books on my 32Gb device.

Just some random thoughts I am wondering:

- Is it an ads-supported model (mine isn't)

- Are the books in a broken-DRM .mobi? Not judging, i've done it too, just curious if Amazon has some sort of "signature" in mobis that allow it to detect a book that had DRM removed?

- Are they standard .epub?

- What is the size of the device? (Maybe smaller 8Gb devices will clean up and prioritize non-Kindle content to make way for "official content)

- Which device is it? (Scribe, Oasis, Paperwhite, older paperwhite, etc)

The one time I had it deleting my book was a large book (it was 400Mb) and it was on an older 8Gb paperwhite. I still had PLENTY of storage space available (I was using around 4Gb) but it kept deleting that book. This was the only time I have seen it happen and it was with this one specific book. That was many years ago and I haven't seen it since. That book was a DRM-removed book I got through "shared" means. Which has led me to question if the Kindle removes it because it could detect that the DRM had been removed or because of its large size. But this was a one-off experience for me. The book was readable by the device. It would download for several weeks at a time before being removed. You could redownload it and it would work for weeks again before dissapearing. I never could figure it out.

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14. thimabi ◴[] No.41865396[source]
I think Calibre is able to integrate with the “Send to Kindle” email interface as well, so you can have the best of both worlds :)
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15. boneitis ◴[] No.41865482{3}[source]
Interesting thread. I wonder if this has anything to do with what I experienced with the one (two, actually) I set up for my mom years back. The books were visible on the filesystem but nowhere to be found when using the device.

Fortunately, getting two units in a row with jarring pink blotches was enough of a non-starter to suggest that she just revert to a V4 without my having to explain the confusing behavior.

16. jeffybefffy519 ◴[] No.41865560[source]
How do you legitimately buy books on it?
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17. rhcom2 ◴[] No.41865566[source]
I have the Kobo libra 2. I love the thing, especially the Pocket integration.
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18. al_borland ◴[] No.41865600[source]
I switched from a Kindle to a Kobo (monochrome), and simply having the book cover as the lock screen makes me like it so much more. I always paid to not have ads on the Kindle, but it would show a bunch of generic images. The book cover is the obvious choice. Kobo gets it.

The reading experience is a little more bare bones, but good enough, and still offers things a physical book does not.

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19. elijaht ◴[] No.41865690[source]
I have a kindle that just displays the book cover. Are you sure it’s not just a setting?
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20. kaonwarb ◴[] No.41865696[source]
Just FYI, this is now a Kindle option too. https://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=23435466011
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21. hresvelgr ◴[] No.41865699[source]
I will second that the Kobo Libra Colour is an excellent device. To me it's the perfect reading device. To anyone using Calibre with it, make sure you get the Kobo plugin that transforms epub into kepub when sending to device. It normalises text size, margins, and so on so the reading experience is consistent no matter where you uh... procure your library from. I reconvert all my epubs anyway, but that step is critical.
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22. notatoad ◴[] No.41865705[source]
kindles have displayed the book cover on the lock screen for approximately the last decade.
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23. TechDebtDevin ◴[] No.41865725[source]
Boox is dodgy, but everyone I know that has one loves them. I wouldn't expect any Chinese company to respect GPLs. Although, I've seen people on Reddit say they can have QA issues, and if you receive that unit you're likely SOL, this is the only reason that I've been hesitant to spend money on one. I've also been eyeing this new company, daylight, that has a 60hz refresh rate with what I think is E-Ink[0]. Their website says E-Paper, not sure if that's different from E-Ink. Unfortunately, they've always been on wait list months out every time I've looked.

https://daylightcomputer.com/product

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24. willcipriano ◴[] No.41865782[source]
I got a libra color myself and cab second this recommendation.

It was so good I got a second one for my 5 year old daughter, figured it was a good alternative to the iPads I see her peers with.

25. spaceisballer ◴[] No.41865842{3}[source]
It’s definitely not e-ink, it’s a type of LCD. Been reading about it and it seems like users are pretty hyped about it. I don’t really need another tablet, I want a really good writing experience. I’m test driving the Boox Go 10.3 but I may return it and wait for the new Supernote offering. Or I’ve been reading up on de-bloating the Boox software if I keep it.
26. dlevine ◴[] No.41865946[source]
There are a bunch of comments about how this is the default experience now. It's only the default experience if you buy the ads-free version.

Since I don't want to pay extra to disable the ads, the trick I figured out is to buy the Kindle for Kids. It comes with a cover, no ads, and a 2 year warranty. You can turn off the kids stuff with one switch, and then it's just a normal Kindle.

If you buy it on Black Friday or one of their other sale days, you should be able to get it for the same price or less than the regular edition would be when not on sale.

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27. lidavidm ◴[] No.41866012[source]
Kobo has a store. It's decent, it won't have Kindle indies, and IMO it has fewer/worse sales, but it's not a big deal to me. They do have a subscription plan with unlimited access to certain books but it's not clear to me how good the catalog is.

You can also buy from third party stores, e.g. Weightless Books for sci-fi & fantasy, and just drag-and-drop the epub onto the Kobo.

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28. pfooti ◴[] No.41866063[source]
Ooh, thanks for this. I was having all kinds of font and margin irregularities with my side loads, assumed I just had to power through and manually adjust the fonts in each book
29. pfooti ◴[] No.41866079{4}[source]
For me, they were drm free ebooks I bought legitimately and had to sideload via calibre because the kindle doesn't support epub. It's an old Paperwhite, and it only happens when I go out of airplane mode. However, I have to go out of airplane mode (or had to before I ditched the kindle for a kobo) to get library books and the occasional actual Amazon kindle book when I didn't feel like waiting for the library to get me to the front of the list.

*Edit to add: I believe the kindle won't delete epubs you sideload via the Amazon kindle email gateway, but I have no interest in doing that.

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31. mholm ◴[] No.41866104{4}[source]
As far as I can tell, it's a fairly rare bug. I've only had it happen to me once in 6 years. But the moment it happened, I decided I was never buying a Kindle again. I still have my paperwhite because it works fine, but it's never connecting to the internet again.
32. yzydserd ◴[] No.41866106[source]
I also have a Kobo Libra 2 and sing it’s praises.

I upgraded from an Oasis 2 and couldn’t be happier. When it comes to upgrade again, Amazon DRM readers will not even be looked at.

33. bongobingo1 ◴[] No.41866134{3}[source]
https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/16/22387146/amazon-display-c...

2021.

People have certainly been asking for it for at least the last decade. Jail breaking doesn't count.

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34. the_af ◴[] No.41866257[source]
I have an old Kindle Paperwhite where I both buy books from Amazon and sideload using Calibre and it has never deleted anything to my knowledge.

It's usually in airplane mode, but I of course turn syncing on whenever I buy a book from Amazon, and it never deleted any of my sideloaded books.

I wonder if this is a "feature" of new Paperwhites? If so, it would suck. I was looking to replace mine because it has the old micro USB connector that no other device I own uses, and so I must keep a cable just for it.

35. pixelesque ◴[] No.41866326{3}[source]
I don't have that problem with my paperwhite...

I've side-loaded .mobi and .pdf files, and have never had anything disappear, whilst still buying some things from Amazon kindle store...

36. boznz ◴[] No.41866397{3}[source]
Sigh.. "Send to Kobo" would be nice to have
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37. 14 ◴[] No.41866416{3}[source]
I could see you loading up a book they deemed not kid friendly and being told sorry you can not read this book on this device.
38. mnsc ◴[] No.41866446{3}[source]
What bothers me with drag and dropping epubs is that you can read it fine and annotate but I can't find the annotations online. I haven't even looked up exporting the annotations manually from the device because that is not my scenario.
39. atulatul ◴[] No.41866455{3}[source]
Just checked kobo sites due to original comment. The catalog may be smaller but now they (India store) have comparable book prices to kindle. The last time (many years back) I checked, books were not available in India.

I had first edition terrible keyboard kindle and have a paperwhite. It seems libra colour is still not available in India.

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40. atulatul ◴[] No.41866474[source]
My notes/ underlines were wiped out when synched. (new edition with quality issues- spellings, I think- corrected.)

Any workaround?

41. theshackleford ◴[] No.41866476{4}[source]
I have my Calibre install setup with the content server feature which makes your Calibre library accessible to any device on the local network. I can then transfer the books to my Kobo by using the browser and hitting the content server's IP address.

I can't remember all the specifics of how I set it up and honestly i've not used it in a while because I used it to get all my old Kindle purchased books on (which was a lot) and i've not booted the docker container since.

Is this a reasonable work around/alternative or have I misunderstood? If so, I apologise. Oh also, I think I had to do some custom stuff with my Kobo as well to support this functionality, but I don't remember it being difficult. Got it all wrapped in an evening of tinkering.

42. WalterBright ◴[] No.41866528{3}[source]
Finally! But what I'd really like is the last page read is the screen saver.
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43. ffsm8 ◴[] No.41866553{4}[source]
I bought a Kindle Paperwhite in 2020, it's been doing that since day 1 of my purchase without jailbreaking or anything.

It's not a new thing that journalists cover old features as if they've just been added, because they just found out about it and feel they're newsworthy

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44. grogenaut ◴[] No.41866570{3}[source]
I have a boox note 3, I don't love it. I barely use it. Have a remarkable 2 but spouse stole it when I iddn't use it much. I bought a scribe and used it more. I had 2 sets of classes this spring. I used the crap out of the scribe. I tried the boox for it and went back to the scribe. All I was doing was taking written notes in class and using it as infinte paper for doing homeworks. The boox takes forever to wake up and just is more laggy. It was usable for reading stuff in google docs outside but an umbrella and a laptop worked better.

That said all 3 have amazing battery life, they'd all last all semester on a charge.

45. hi_hi ◴[] No.41866622[source]
Wait, you have to pay to not have ads on a Kindle?

When did that start being a thing? I've been using a kindle for about 14 years, my current one is a few years old. I've been thinking about upgrading, but it works perfectly fine, and I've never had it display ads, and haven't had to pay anything for that "privilege".

It sounds like this will be my last Kindle device if I now have to pay extra for no ads, on a device I've already paid for, to read books I also pay for.

When will the madness stop!?

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46. rdn ◴[] No.41866650{3}[source]
Its been that way for years, the ad is on the lockscreen, and its an ad for other books. The version with no advertisement is 20$ more, I don't see the problem if someone wants to get a discount for looking at ads.
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47. majormajor ◴[] No.41866669{3}[source]
At least ten years ago https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/29/technology/personaltech/r...
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48. PhasmaFelis ◴[] No.41866676{3}[source]
It's a one-time thing, it's like $20. They've been doing it for at least six or seven years. You probably selected it when you ordered your current model.
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49. ptman ◴[] No.41866681[source]
I've had this problem as well. When going from offline to online, it removes books sideloaded via USB. But not books I've added via send to kindle or ones that I've downloaded via the experimental browser. So now, instead of sideloading via USB, I convert to mobi, run a python -m http.server on my laptop and use the experimental browser to download them on kindle.
50. wkat4242 ◴[] No.41866705{4}[source]
Yeah I don't find it that bad either. The ads are non-intrusive (only when not using the device) and the standard wallpapers are super boring anyway.

As much as I hate advertising, this is as good as it gets

51. yftsui ◴[] No.41866774{5}[source]
It's definitely not "a decade". I have the 2013 Kindle Paper white and it doesn't have that feature without JB, the oldest device supported is Kindle Paperwhite 7th Gen which is released in 2019.

It's likely you are just lucky to buy a KPW with that feature just rolled out.

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52. FredFS456 ◴[] No.41866899{4}[source]
When I bought my Paperwhite around 2013, I noticed that ads were an option on the kindles sold in the US but not in Canada. In Canada there was only the no-ads version.
53. misja111 ◴[] No.41866911[source]
My last e-reader was a Boox Note. It did its job but was slow and after a couple of years just didn't start up anymore.

Then I switched to Kindle Scribe, mainly for the large screen. It was amazing, it was so much faster and more responsive. I even started to use the scribe to make notes, though I didn't buy it for that purpose. With the Boox Note I never did that because of the slowness, it was just annoying.

54. tjoff ◴[] No.41866919{4}[source]
Can't read that but that is surely if you bought the subsidized ad-version of the kindle.
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55. infotainment ◴[] No.41866922{3}[source]
Daylight is a reflective LCD, like what you’d find on the classic Game Boy. I find their marketing of it as “e-paper” to be highly misleading.
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56. DaanDL ◴[] No.41866926{3}[source]
I've been using the same Kindle Paperwhite for about 13 years and there always have been ads in it because I didn't pay for the 30$ extra initially. It never bothered me as they stop when you put the device in airplane mode, which is what I always do ;-)
57. ane ◴[] No.41866932{5}[source]
I have been using Send to kindle[1] for years to upload epubs directly to Kindle. It even syncs the position in the books so that if I read it on my Kindle, it syncs the position to the Kindle app on my phone.

[1] https://www.amazon.com/sendtokindle

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58. eloisant ◴[] No.41866937{4}[source]
That would be weird, it would make it hard to know if the device is on or off.
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59. letniq ◴[] No.41866982{3}[source]
Actually there is a hack. After buying a kindle, you just write to kindle support and say that you are getting ads and you are not aware why are you getting them. They usually would remove them for you. Worked for me though when I bought kindle.
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60. lencastre ◴[] No.41866983[source]
Both Kindle PW 10 and 11 gen support showing the cover. Personally I actually don’t like to see the cover of the books. Nobody’s business to see what I’m reading.
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61. chrisandchris ◴[] No.41866987{5}[source]
With these displays, there's not really an "off" because as long as there's no change on the display there's no energy usage. Of course, that dies not account for the OS.
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62. lencastre ◴[] No.41866992{4}[source]
YMMV, I paid for a no ad version of the Kindle and when I moved countries and changed the kindle store I stated receiving ads. After a 5 minute online chat they removed the ads again, but not before confirming my original purchase of the ad free kindle PW 10 in 2018.
63. globular-toast ◴[] No.41866994{5}[source]
It doesn't really matter if it's on or off. This is how I have my Kobo configured via KOReader. It does put some small text "Sleeping" at the bottom in a place that doesn't obscure the page, but even this is configurable. I like it because it's like a book laying open, inviting me to jump back in.
64. globular-toast ◴[] No.41867021{4}[source]
Easiest is with KOReader. You start a server in Calibre then connect to Calibre in KOReader (not via the web browser). At that point it's like you plugged it in via USB, you can add/remove from the device from your library.
65. grishka ◴[] No.41867024{4}[source]
Also works to say that you live in a country where Kindles aren't officially sold so you can't make use of the ads anyway even if you wanted to. Don't know if they actually check if you are in one of those countries, but I am so it worked for me.
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66. adhamsalama ◴[] No.41867042{3}[source]
Happens to me consistently if my device is on Airplane mode for a long time.
67. eproxus ◴[] No.41867051{6}[source]
The problem is, once you want to flip page you’ll try to press the touch screen and nothing will happen since you haven’t turned on the device with the power button (you don’t want the touch screen active always since it will drain the battery).

I guess they could add some indication on the screen it’s in ”sleep” mode though, like a frame or icon somewhere…

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68. TeMPOraL ◴[] No.41867091{5}[source]
The whole point of e-ink screens is that the device only needs to be "on" when redrawing the screen.

In fact, with respect to the e-ink readers, a "screen saver" that turns on automatically is a bad idea that removes useful functionality - being able to keep the same page up for hours without interacting with the device is a feature, as it allows you to use it as a reference, like you'd do with a paper printout.

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69. fodkodrasz ◴[] No.41867109{3}[source]
Happened to me also. I will use the device in airplane mode as long as it lasts, but this is my last Kindle.
70. WalterBright ◴[] No.41867152{6}[source]
Yes, yes!
71. TeMPOraL ◴[] No.41867179{7}[source]
Honestly, I think they should optimize the time it takes a powered off device to boot up and turn the page after the user presses a button[0]. Sure, those readers tend to be full-blown Linux computers with nontrivial boot time, but approximately none of the features this stack provides are needed for simply turning the page.

I'm sure I'm underestimating the complexities of the problem, but the first idea that pops into my head is to add some flash storage that's, say, 5x the size of the framebuffer, and always keep in it the current page + next two and previous two pages (swapping pointers to avoid unnecessary writes), and have an extra microcontroller that would wake on button press, read the appropriate page from the flash buffer, and send it to the display controller. The whole process could take a fraction of the second (+ screen redraw time), all while the main OS wakes up (or boots up) in the background, and the user would experience no delays if all they're trying to do is read their book page by page. Once ready, the OS would update the flash buffer and stay active for a short while, in case the user decides they want to flip pages quickly.

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[0] - Gosh, I keep forgetting the readers only have touchscreens now. Another reason for superiority of hardware buttons for page turning.

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72. fishywang ◴[] No.41867222[source]
I switched from reMarkable 2 to (my wife's old) Kindle Oasis to Kobo Sage, and I love Kobo Sage, despite some minor annoyances (like how this is the only thing that don't auto downscale the image in epub I've used: https://b.yuxuan.org/url2epub-downscale-images).

One thing in particular is that the physical page turning buttons are very useful. None of Amazon's new Kindles have physical page turning buttons any more from what I see in the reports.

73. RossBencina ◴[] No.41867244{3}[source]
I've seen people on Reddit mention QA issues too, but at this stage I'm more suspicious of sock puppets on Reddit than of Boox. Buying from a source where you know you can return and have a guaranteed warrantee period is prudent for any significant purchase. In my country there's a local distributor that offers this.
74. gizmo ◴[] No.41867255{4}[source]
That's not a hack. Customer support just doesn't want to argue with people who are likely to get belligerent. You can get a lot of stuff for free just by throwing a tantrum, but is that really who you want to be?
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75. draven ◴[] No.41867267{3}[source]
It was because of the bad things I read about warranty/support that I bought my Note Air 3 on Amazon. I paid a bit more but at least I knew I could return it easily if there was an issue.
76. Hikikomori ◴[] No.41867299{4}[source]
You can use Google Drive with Kobo.
77. k33l0r ◴[] No.41867324{6}[source]
I've found that Send to Kindle does a much worse job at converting to MOBI than Calibre, which is a bit ironic but on par with Amazon's overall treatment of non-Kindle books.
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78. dewey ◴[] No.41867339{3}[source]
That’s not right, I always buy books from Amazon over WiFi but also sync my books from Calibre. No issues for probably 10 years.
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79. TeMPOraL ◴[] No.41867358{5}[source]
This was, arguably, a huge driver for Kindle sales in such countries (mine included), as that $20 or whatever saved made much more of a difference for people there.
80. cg5280 ◴[] No.41867381[source]
Yeah, I personally don't see any need to maintain a digital book library (like with calibre) when libgen is so accessible. Email to Kindle is a great feature; I've also never had anything unexpectedly deleted.
81. h05sz487b ◴[] No.41867433[source]
> When it started deleting books i had side-loaded via calibre

Never had that happen, either with stuff loaded through Calibre or Amazons document service.

82. ffsm8 ◴[] No.41867457{6}[source]
I cannot speak on when it was actually introduced.

I only added my experience because bongobingo said 2021 and cited a tabloid "article" as proof.

The feature definitely predates April 2021, how long? I have no idea, possibly only 6-7 months, as I bought mine in October 2020.

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83. michaelt ◴[] No.41867474{5}[source]
There's no difference between a "subsidized ad-version" and what al_borland said: that they "paid to not have ads on the Kindle"

You can get a Kindle for $110 with ads, or for $130 without ads.

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84. n4r9 ◴[] No.41867493{5}[source]
> Hacking might be characterized as ‘an appropriate application of ingenuity’.

http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/meaning-of-hack.html

It's not far off a hack. And not OP but personally I've got very few problems with getting one over on massive corporations like Amazon.

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85. edanm ◴[] No.41867494{3}[source]
Always been a thing, I think. When you bought it you could pay like $20 extra to not have them - you probably paid and never thought about it since, I imagine.
86. tjoff ◴[] No.41867582{6}[source]
I read it as if it was a subscription, my bad.
87. tallanvor ◴[] No.41867609[source]
If you switch airplane mode on and off it can happen. If you have airplane mode off when you're side loading content (so the information that you've added files gets synced, you don't have to worry about it. The problem seems to be when things have changed in the cloud it doesn't check for new items you've loaded on the kindle first, and thinks something went wrong and deletes it.
88. thih9 ◴[] No.41867629[source]
> When it started deleting books i had side-loaded via calibre

This is news to me. All my kindle library is books side loaded via calibre. Then again, my kindle paperwhite is non stop in airplane mode so maybe this is a factor. In any case this is alarming and thanks for the feedback, I will read more about non-Amazon devices because of that.

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89. alias_neo ◴[] No.41867639{6}[source]
I use my Kobo only for technical books / diagrams etc, having it stay on the thing I'm looking at for hours is _absolutely_ a feature.
90. oblio ◴[] No.41867668[source]
These Kindles look great but I want to upload my own books.

I wonder if there is a way to do that safely, long term.

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91. MaxikCZ ◴[] No.41867669{6}[source]
I got my Kindle before any ads were in play (its like a second generation?), and several years afterwards it started displaying ads. Thankfully a chat with amazon solved it because I wasnt in US, so the ads were not applicable to me, but I definetly did not have option to buy non-ad version when I bought it.
92. alias_neo ◴[] No.41867700[source]
I use Calibre-Web (self-hosted web-UI for Calibre) with my Kobo Forma, and with a quick change of a config file on the device (by plugging it into PC) I can use Calibre-Web as an online book store and retrieve my books over my network, I'd recommend it for anyone interested in keeping a large library and wanting to manage what's on-device.

No jailbreak or anything required, just some config in Calibre-Web and replace a URL or two in a config file on the Kobo.

93. m463 ◴[] No.41867732[source]
I have had many ereaders: several kindles including dx, remarkable 2, kobo clara 2e and the latest is the pocketbook inkpad lite. (all are b/w)

Honestly, I just wanted an open reflective reader just for reading. Just put the books on the reader with usb and you're done.

I liked the remarkable 2 - they didn't require an account or cloud syncing. I didn't use the pen much, but when I did it was pretty good. I mostly stopped using it because no backlight.

I tried a kobo clara 2e - I had to learn about "sideloadedmode=true" in the settings to use it properly. Decent reader, but a little small. I like dark mode.

then I stumbled on the pocketbook inkpad lite. I use it all the time. 9.7" screen but only $219, backlight, and you just put your books on it and go. No activation or cloud stuff required.

Also, it reads books directly not only in epub, but many other formats like mobi and azw. (I haven't tried .azw)

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94. bambax ◴[] No.41867768[source]
All my Kindle library is also books side loaded via Calibre (sent to my kindle email address). I have been doing that for years (more than an decade actually) and have never had any book deleted by the device. Is this real?
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95. bongobingo1 ◴[] No.41867795{7}[source]
Reddit nerds only notice in April 2021, https://old.reddit.com/r/kindle/comments/mo67x9/the_new_kind...

More "tabloids" in April 2021 https://www.tomsguide.com/news/amazon-kindle-update-adds-kil...

More nerds in August 2021, https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/30x1qmxj "the setting that was added a few months ago in Settings/Device Options to show the "Display Cover" of the book you are currently reading"

Amazon discussing rolling it out during ... April 2021, https://www.amazonforum.com/s/question/0D54P00008A1VpoSAF/di...

Maybe you were in a pre-release A/B or region, or simply didn't notice the update.

96. gizmo ◴[] No.41867796{6}[source]
It's about as ingenious as littering to save yourself a 20 second walk to a trash can.
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97. imp0cat ◴[] No.41867823{3}[source]
It's explained elswhere in this thread - only the "DRM'ed" ebooks that "belong" to another Kindle are deleted.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41866327

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98. fransje26 ◴[] No.41867856[source]
I've been doing that for years using the Calibre app. No problems so far.
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99. thimabi ◴[] No.41867885{4}[source]
That happens on sideloaded books that belong to the same device as well, at least on my Kindle Scribe. These books disappear occasionally, and I have not found a consistent way to make them reappear in the UI. Sometimes they return on their own, other times they do not. Interestingly, their files remain on the Kindle’s file system.
100. devnullbrain ◴[] No.41867918{4}[source]
- My kobo 'refreshes' the screen at the start of every chapter.

- I typically stop reading at the end of chapters

- The so-called screen saver creates dark and light points wherever there are dark and light points on the book's cover

- The screen needs to be refreshed to return these points to homogeneity

Outcome: most of the times the screen is refreshed, I get no use of it. Most of the time I spend reading, the screen needs to be refreshed.

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101. thimabi ◴[] No.41867969{3}[source]
> Since I don't want to pay extra to disable the ads, the trick I figured out is to buy the Kindle for Kids. It comes with a cover, no ads, and a 2 year warranty. You can turn off the kids stuff with one switch, and then it's just a normal Kindle.

They closed that loophole. Kindles for Kids now show ads when not in Kids mode.

102. bambax ◴[] No.41867979{4}[source]
Ah, ok. I always de-DRM everything automatically (opening books in Calibre does the de-drming). It sometimes happen with the newer systems that newer Kindle books can't be de-drmed, but then I return those immediately.

But I'm surprised a book with DRM can even be added to another device than the one it belongs to, let alone be opened?

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103. sundarurfriend ◴[] No.41868056{4}[source]
> first edition terrible keyboard kindle

That's still my favourite ever Kindle, simply for the side buttons for next/previous page.

Touch interface is so much more inconvenient in comparison, for the main purpose of reading and navigating through books.

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104. RandomThoughts3 ◴[] No.41868062{8}[source]
> Gosh, I keep forgetting the readers only have touchscreens now. Another reason for superiority of hardware buttons for page turning.

Kobo still has a reader with buttons thankfully. I don’t understand how people tolerate touchscreen on e-readers. It’s extremely distracting compared to just pressing.

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105. dotancohen ◴[] No.41868108{5}[source]

  > I'm surprised a book with DRM can even be added to another device than the one it belongs to, let alone be opened?
It is probably a path that could potentially lead to another sale. The user reads a few pages of the book, gets hooked, and then is told about the restriction.
106. ErigmolCt ◴[] No.41868184[source]
It's frustrating when promising devices are let down by poor hardware quality. Your experience with stuck pixels on the Boox sounds disappointing
107. ErigmolCt ◴[] No.41868201[source]
It’s a small detail, but it adds a lot of personality to the device
108. ErigmolCt ◴[] No.41868214{3}[source]
This policy has been around for several years.. Hopefully, some competition from other e-reader brands will help rein that in
109. oblio ◴[] No.41868220{3}[source]
Since I'm a total noob, I guess:

PC + USB cable + Kindle = books transferred the old fashioned way?

I'm very tempted by the thing another commenter mentioned, with not giving the Kindle internet access, if it works, I need 0 smart features.

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110. IWeldMelons ◴[] No.41868253[source]
inkpad's 150ppi is a dealbraker
111. optimusprinceps ◴[] No.41868352{4}[source]
I'm an avid kindle user, I've never seen ads on my device. I'm in the UK
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112. op00to ◴[] No.41868378{3}[source]
I asked Amazon via chat to remove the adds because I was SCANDALIZED, just utterly SCANDALIZED to see romance novels on ads on the lock screen. They removed the ads for free. ;)
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113. curiousigor ◴[] No.41868411{4}[source]
It's PC with Calibre app + USB cable + Kindle = books transferred (not just drag and drop if you thought this as the old fashioned way).

It's a step between but think of Calibre as your own book "store". It's an ebook management app that can automatically convert almost any ebook format into the one your device needs but at the same time also gives you the option to edit the ebook details and stuff like that. It's honestly great, I'd totally recommend it.

114. bschne ◴[] No.41868456{4}[source]
I bought the slightly cheaper version with ads years ago and asked support to remove them because they „weren‘t relevant to me given where I am living“. I found out about this option on reddit or in the product reviews on some local retailer‘s site, so I assume it is/was a bit of an open secret.
115. goosedragons ◴[] No.41868505{7}[source]
I think it's more likely you just didn't notice for 6-7 months. It's not just "tabloid" articles that noticed it in April 2021. This wasn't noticed by users on places like mobileread.com until April 2021 either and that place is comprised of some of the biggest eInk fans out there.

By all accounts your Oct. 2020 date is the earliest reported date for it being an official feature. Kobo has had it since day one in 2010, Kindle not so much.

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4110557

116. dfxm12 ◴[] No.41868507{4}[source]
As far as problems go, I understand it's been a constant and this specific implementation is pretty low on the list, but generally, greed leading to ads intruding every aspect of our lives and people thinking up with new spots to place ads is a problem.

Creating a different experience around reading books for those who have and those who have not is also a problem, given how important literacy and the printing press are to the development of our society.

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117. gambiting ◴[] No.41868510{5}[source]
I'm in the UK and you absolutely get ads on kindles unless you have a very old device or bought the ad free model(TBF all kindles sold outside of Amazon at Currys, JL etc are always ad free).
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118. CodeLikeHell ◴[] No.41868548{5}[source]
There’s a “Refresh screen every:” setting under “Reader settings” where you can configure this.
119. NoGravitas ◴[] No.41868830[source]
Does the Libra Colour support KOReader? That removes the need to convert to kepub and generally gives you better rendering, at the cost of having to do more setup.
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120. al_borland ◴[] No.41868837{3}[source]
From some of the other comments, it looks like a rather recent addition by Amazon (around 2021). I got rid of my last Kindle after 2021, but maybe I never got that update.

If it takes some competition for Amazon to finally add some very basic features like this after a decade, I will keep supporting that competition.

I’ve grown frustrated with Amazon in a lot of areas, this was just one small one. I’m looking to divest my dependence on Amazon, and the Kobo isn’t leaving me missing anything.

121. hresvelgr ◴[] No.41869038{3}[source]
Well, their website seems to suggest it does. I will mention though, that plugin converts them automatically without intervention and does a pretty flawless job.
122. n4r9 ◴[] No.41869060{7}[source]
I disagree. It's exploiting a weakness in customer service provision in order to work around built-in UX degradation. Not many people would think of it.
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123. dfc ◴[] No.41869211[source]
I've been a kindle user for so long I'm embarrassed to admit I don't have any concept of what it is like to get ebooks outside of the Amazon ecosystem. Was the change easy to make? Do you feel like you have access to as much content as you did with a kindle?
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124. culopatin ◴[] No.41869231{3}[source]
Hasn’t this been the case for a few years now?
125. eloisant ◴[] No.41869279{4}[source]
Congrats, you made a big fuss to save $20
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126. AlanYx ◴[] No.41869287{4}[source]
It's RLCD but with a twist. It has microperforations, so they can put the backlight behind the screen without making it transreflective. I agree the terminology is misleading though.
127. bluGill ◴[] No.41869298{8}[source]
The obvious things is a tiny RTOS with enough of an ereader buffer to keep 5 screens (random number - maybe even the full boot). press the button the RTOS boots and flips the page almost instantly, then it boot linux in a VM to add more screens to the buffer, and/or take over the screen. Linux would have to be aware it is running in an RTOS like that so it can take over where you left off in the boot.
128. ableal ◴[] No.41869300{4}[source]
Try this: https://send.djazz.se/

Minimal work if you configure the site as the homepage in the Kobo web browser.

129. HansardExpert ◴[] No.41869333{3}[source]
Yes completely.

I have both an old Kindle Paperwhite 2nd Gen I think and a Kobo Clara.

The kindle 'lives' in the car and the Kobo at home so I always have something to read.

I use Calibre to sync to both.

Rather than directly accessing Amazon from the Kindle I download bought books to my PC then strip the DRM - so I can read the same book on both the Clara and Kindle.

See: https://github.com/noDRM/DeDRM_tools

I'd say that the initial awkwardness is from deliberately not connecting the Kobo or Kindle to the internet to stop them from 'phoning home' when you set them up. The Kindle is easy - just don't connect it, the Kobo seems to insist but there's a simple step-by-step to bypass the enforced sign up on the Clara I use.

See: https://yingtongli.me/blog/2018/07/30/kobo-rego.html - basically SQL commands.

and you can get firmware updates for the Kobo devices via

https://pgaskin.net/KoboStuff/kobofirmware.html

and they are easy to apply - drag / drop.

I don't get books from Kobo's site as it used to be hard if not impossible to strip the DRM from them - which meant I couldn't read them on my Kindle.

Hope that helps.

130. mdorazio ◴[] No.41869346{3}[source]
I use a Boox reader, but pretty close to the same experience. For me, I either buy the book from one of the many places that lets you download epub, or buy it on the Kindle store and download it from Libgen. It's really a non-issue. I've only run into one or two books I wasn't able to get an epub of, and those I ended up reading on the Kindle cloud reader on my laptop.
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131. dfc ◴[] No.41869349{5}[source]
I got the kindle oasis because of the next/prev page buttons. I don't know why they discontinued it.
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132. jorvi ◴[] No.41869358{3}[source]
Kindle for Kids is not available outside the US afaik. At least not in a lot of European countries.
133. eloisant ◴[] No.41869366{8}[source]
It's not a weakness, it's Amazon's strategy to be generous in customer support to ensure loyal customers.
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134. grujicd ◴[] No.41869471{3}[source]
I'm keeping cover because it helps me remember the title of the book! Otherwise I typically buy book after seeing recommendation on goodreads or elsewhere, start reading and when someone asks me the name of the book or the author - I have no idea! Cover helps with that.
135. mtalantikite ◴[] No.41869495[source]
I got a Boox Go 7 as my first ereader a few months back and I feel the same way. I like it for my own use, which is mainly loading foreign language books in from Calibre into KO Reader, but I'd never recommend it to someone unless they were pretty technical.
136. fullstop ◴[] No.41869533{6}[source]
YES, I love the physical buttons. I have mine rotated so that the buttons are at the bottom, and it works well. The weight is distributed more evenly this way as well.

Did they actually announce that the Oasis was discontinued or did they just stop making them?

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137. tikkun ◴[] No.41869627{4}[source]
What are your favorite places to buy books that let you download the epub versions also?
138. widowlark ◴[] No.41869652{5}[source]
megacorp set an arbitrary price for this, and you think the consumer is at fault?
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139. widowlark ◴[] No.41869668{9}[source]
not so - they will fight you on the ad removal most of the time
140. widowlark ◴[] No.41869693{4}[source]
is your wifi on when you add your calibre books? if so, thats why.
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141. mcovalt ◴[] No.41869695[source]
If you own a Kobo e-reader, check out the Plato reader [0], an unofficial document reader of Kobo devices. I find it interesting that it's written by the same person that wrote the bspwm window manager.

It is one of my favorite pieces of software. The UI is beautiful and, to be honest, inspirational. It frequently reminds me that the best UI should not be noticed. Humbling.

[0] https://github.com/baskerville/plato

142. widowlark ◴[] No.41869711{4}[source]
yeah just dont turn on the wifi, you can even update the kindle via usb to get some new features if you like.
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144. dewey ◴[] No.41869749{5}[source]
My wifi is alwasy on, I'm using a cable to sync from Calibre though after they kinda deprecated the "E-Mail to Kindle" feature.
145. interestica ◴[] No.41869777[source]
There's a secret slideshow folder(demo mode?) where you can put in your own images that will display when it sleeps. It was kind of fun to use it as an eink display. I never figured out how to remote in/ssh to remotely swap the images though.
146. gizmo ◴[] No.41869812{8}[source]
Our society can only exist because people don't push the boundaries of what is technical legal but still harmful to others. There are also many laws you can break without any risk of getting caught. It has to be that way because we can only invest a limited amount of our resources into enforcement of our laws. It's one big prisoner's dilemma where individuals gain by defecting but if too many people defect on the social contract the whole system falls apart.

Likewise, businesses lose money on people who habitually return things. People who behave reasonably subsidize the "ingenious" minority. Generous warranty and return policies can only exist when most people behave reasonably.

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147. cannolicannon ◴[] No.41869864{3}[source]
For anyone with an ad-free Kindle, and running the most recent firmware, and you're looking for the Display Cover option using Amazon's documentation, and you're not finding it...like me.

It looks like earlier this year they moved the option out of Settings > Device Options and it's now located in Settings > Screen & Brightness. Which ironically doesn't seem to be documented anywhere that I can find.

148. n4r9 ◴[] No.41869937{9}[source]
> push the boundaries of what is technical legal but still harmful to others

This is actually a good description the behaviour of megacorps like Amazon. They are constantly looking for new ways to increase and consolidate market share, pushing or breaking the boundaries of anti-trust regulations, at the expense of the consumer.

I wouldn't advocate this sort of behaviour towards individuals or small businesses, only megacorps. Highly dubious that this would actually cause harm to the average person. If anything it would hasten the enshittification process, open the field up to competition, and be a net positive for society.

I am likely coming at this from an entirely different mindset to you. In my mind, the current economic structure implies that sufficiently large corporations are pitched in a battle against ordinary people.

149. zeroonetwothree ◴[] No.41869963{5}[source]
Isn’t it strictly worse if they only offer the $130 no ads version? Why is choice a bad idea in this context? All it means is more people can afford it.
150. Larrikin ◴[] No.41870033{3}[source]
I run KOReader and Tailscale on my Libra Color. I personally very much dislike Calibre for organizing my library and use it only as a metadata editor, since I don't need to actually convert formats anymore. With Tailscale I can connect to my NAS running Kavita over OPDS and browse my library with the organization I've decided on.

KOReader has some quirks, but Kavita is trying to work around them. Theres a PR for proper syncing so you can read on multiple devices and KOReader doesn't respect the specs for OPDS so doesn't always update after you add books, but it is fixed by a restart of KOReader.

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152. bee_rider ◴[] No.41870125[source]
Is there a good store for comics and manga? I realized everything I had was locked in to annoying Amazon DRM, which has quite limited support.
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153. vundercind ◴[] No.41870243{9}[source]
I stopped using one ereader we had because the damn touchscreen kept flipping the page if e.g. a blanked brushed it while I was reading in bed.

Buttons were absolutely perfect for this use case, on a dedicated e-reader—less so, say, an iPad mini that also does other stuff, but also those nicer touchscreens don't accidentally trigger as often so it's not as big a problem. Touch screen is nice for navigating menus but should be disabled when reading.

154. slightwinder ◴[] No.41870277{6}[source]
"on" in this case mainly means whether it's unlocked and reacting to input. It can make sense to have no distinct lock-screen, but I can also see it leading to frustrated users who are annoyed by not knowing if the device reacts to input or not.
155. m4rtink ◴[] No.41870297[source]
Have an older Kobo Aura H2O as well as new Onyx Boox Pgae and both work fine. :)
156. vundercind ◴[] No.41870308{5}[source]
I'd love to see most advertising simply banned, but in the case of books there's precedent from back when people used to actually read enough to be worth advertising to: mid-century pulp novels often had a couple pages of glossy ads right in the middle, usually including one or more cigarette ads.

The first or last pages of books are still frequently used to sell other books from the same author or from the same publisher. Not that long ago they'd come with cut-out cards to mail in for your order for more of the publisher's books from the partial catalog printed in your book (nobody orders by mail any more, is the only reason the stopped that, I assume). Some of my books when I was a kid would have the first chapter of another book from the same anthology series at the end, to sell it (Goosebumps did this, for example).

157. adolph ◴[] No.41870327{3}[source]
boo, book cover on lock screen not available for Scribe (yet)
158. hiatus ◴[] No.41870427{7}[source]
First archive of the amazon announcement page was in April 2021 https://web.archive.org/web/20210419114306/https://www.amazo...
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161. extraduder_ire ◴[] No.41870463{6}[source]
Last I checked, about three years ago, any place selling kindles online (UK/Ireland) had small-print next to them stating that an internet connection and additional fee was required to remove ads.
162. imzadi ◴[] No.41871048[source]
If you have a library card, check out Hoopla
163. int_19h ◴[] No.41872072{7}[source]
Back when MOBI was still the primary format for Kindles, it would actually allow you to upload .mobi files directly via Send to Kindle.

These days it wants ePub only, but things also seem to "just work", and I always assumed it's because they added support for it on device side. What are the issues that you ran into?

164. dfc ◴[] No.41873935{7}[source]
It sounds like they did both:

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165. fullstop ◴[] No.41874209{8}[source]
Well, that is a shame. I hope that my Oasis lasts forever!
166. op00to ◴[] No.41898480{5}[source]
Thank you! It took about 7 minutes, and I’ll spend 7 minutes to save $20 every day.
167. op00to ◴[] No.41898484{6}[source]
I’m a monster for pulling one over on Benevolent Mother Corporation.