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sureIy ◴[] No.41861348[source]
I don't really understand why people complained.

The source is open, if don't want to contribute, don't. Just because something doesn't fit a specific definition it doesn't mean it's not worth of existence.

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belthesar ◴[] No.41861433[source]
The source wasn't open though, it was available, and it was provided in a sense that fully showcased that they did not understand what they were doing. Everything from licenses that were fully unenforceable and non-compliant with Github's license agreement to illegally distributing proprietary code to fundamentally misunderstanding how to use git.

It's one thing to provide a source available codebase. That's a choice, and it's fine for various definitions of fine. What they did was legally put themselves in hot water with the inclusion of proprietary dependencies, misrepresent what their intentions were, and likely irrevocably damage their reputation to a small, but vocal minority, who likely have a sizeable overlap with folks that know what Winamp is/was.

It's okay if none of that matters to you, or if it doesn't resonate with you, but the things that were done were comically awful in terms of sharing a codebase.

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AdamJacobMuller ◴[] No.41861843[source]
It doesn't meet your definition of the word open.

Of course they didn't know what they were doing. It was written by a 19-year-old in the mid 90s. The code is messy with poor licensing and some build tools were included in the repository and they wrote a dumb license for it? Who cares, they shipped a product that 10s of millions of people used and loved and wanted to share that code up to the world and instead of embracing the best of what they were trying to do while helping them to make things better, the community piled on them until they said it was so not worth it that just pulled the whole thing.

Bravo and job well done.

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Calavar ◴[] No.41862077[source]
> It doesn't meet your definition of the word open.

That's a disingenuous argument. It doesn't meet the OSI's definition of open.

> the community piled on them until they said it was so not worth it that just pulled the whole thing.

Yes, but let's be honest: If it wasn't the community, it would have been DMCA takedown requests from the companies whose software was published in the repo. At best, the community hastened the end of the repo by a few weeks.

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1. AdamJacobMuller ◴[] No.41862872[source]
OK why do I care about how the OSI defines a word which predates the existence of the OSI by over 1000 years?
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2. Calavar ◴[] No.41863486[source]
Not all definitions are created equal (you seemed to imply that yourself when you said "It doesn't meet your definition of the word open") and the OSI definition is widely considered the de facto standard. Of course no definition is perfect, so if you have specific issues with the OSI definition of open source, go ahead and explain them and your suggested alternative. Otherwise you are making an argument that's impossible to engage with because it's amorphous by design.
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4. jazzyjackson ◴[] No.41866281[source]
Because if you disregard it you will constantly be getting in online arguments with license nerds
5. pxc ◴[] No.41866563[source]
The term open-source was coined with an express purpose closely aligned with the definition maintained by the OSI. The OSI also traces its lineage to the coinage of the term; all of the coiners endorse the OSD.

Anyone can read about this here: https://opensource.org/history

But it's well-documented elsewhere, too.

The term 'open-source' is political, as much as it aimed to 'depoliticize' free software. Its definition is and always has been normative rather than merely descriptive. The term and concept exist to serve a movement, and anyone who is invested in that movement's goals is likely to be invested in promoting a historically informed understanding of both.

As for why you, specifically should care about the concept, I think I don't have the patience to make the case right now. But if you're genuinely interested in that question, I'd be happy to provide links to resources if you let me know what sorts of media you enjoy/have energy for.

6. account42 ◴[] No.41902688[source]
I care for the same reason I don't like deliberately confusing product packaging.