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Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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471 points tosh | 125 comments | 16 Oct 24 13:48 UTC | HN request time: 1.356s | source | bottom
1. drewg123 ◴[16 Oct 24 18:34 UTC] No.41862238[source]▶
For air travel, I really like my Xreal Air glasses now that I have a newer iPhone 16pro. Just plug in the USB-C cable, and you have a virtual 60" screen in front of you which works perfectly for Netflix, etc. And they cost less than 10% of the cost of an AVP, and are not limited to 2-3 hours of battery life (they get power from the phone).

Note that if you have an older (lightning) iPhone, don't bother with these. They require a pair of dongles. Not only does that make things really awkward, but one of the dongles ends up apparently blocking HDCP, and prevents you from using anything but ... your own... downloaded content.

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2. astrostl ◴[16 Oct 24 19:09 UTC] No.41862671[source]▶
Still works with a USB-C computer, or tablet, or Xreal's own Beam Pro. I'm sticking with my 13 Mini as a phone but still happy to travel with Xreal Air glasses.
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3. the_arun ◴[16 Oct 24 19:24 UTC] No.41862835[source]▶
I wear prescription glasses. Does Xreal Air help folks like me or forces me to use Contacts?

update: nvmd. I found this - https://vroptician.com/prescription-lens-inserts/nreal-air

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4. balls187 ◴[16 Oct 24 19:27 UTC] No.41862867[source]▶
How well does it work with ios screen mirroring? I assume it's not like when I plug my iphone into my monitor and I have a portrait display.
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5. arbot360 ◴[16 Oct 24 19:29 UTC] No.41862879[source]▶
I use the Viture which supports negative prescriptions by an adjustment dial on the optics.
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6. cuvinny ◴[16 Oct 24 19:48 UTC] No.41863092{3}[source]▶
Interesting, always wanted to try AR for office work because I travel a lot but the glasses part has always been a killer. Do they work with Linux at all?
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7. okasaki ◴[16 Oct 24 20:01 UTC] No.41863208{4}[source]▶
I think they're just a usb-c monitor, so no reason it wouldn't.
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8. frakkingcylons ◴[16 Oct 24 20:03 UTC] No.41863236[source]▶
I got the prescription inserts for the xreal air 2 pro. They were a little more expensive than I would’ve liked ($150 plus $40 because I need -8 SPH) but I have somewhat severe myopia.
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9. frakkingcylons ◴[16 Oct 24 20:04 UTC] No.41863251[source]▶
It’s exactly like that. You get a mirrored display in portrait mode. It’ll rotate if you disable orientation lock and hold it in landscape.
10. davidzweig ◴[16 Oct 24 20:08 UTC] No.41863299[source]▶
I have Nreal Air glasses (they changed name?), they aren't useable for programming really, image is too soft, but neat for watching Netflix on the train etc.
11. dgellow ◴[16 Oct 24 20:27 UTC] No.41863508[source]▶
Can you use them with a steam deck? That would be a pretty cool use case!
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12. cchi_co ◴[16 Oct 24 20:27 UTC] No.41863507[source]▶
Keeping things simple and still enjoying all the tech perks
13. longitudinal93 ◴[16 Oct 24 20:39 UTC] No.41863615[source]▶
Absolutely. Been travelling with a SD and Xreal Airs for the past 2 years. Fantastic for gaming and video consumption.
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14. parhamn ◴[16 Oct 24 20:56 UTC] No.41863783[source]▶
Does such a thing exist that works for coding? Don't need the AR. My posture/back could use this for when I'm not working at my desk.
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15. JKCalhoun ◴[16 Oct 24 21:04 UTC] No.41863850[source]▶
As I get older, a gin and tonic (or two) is what makes air travel more relaxing.
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16. EasyMark ◴[16 Oct 24 21:34 UTC] No.41864067[source]▶
Cranberry and vodka but basically yeah
17. yapyap ◴[16 Oct 24 21:35 UTC] No.41864072[source]▶
a good pair of earbuds is what does it for me
18. Scoundreller ◴[16 Oct 24 21:37 UTC] No.41864086[source]▶
That and ear plugs with noise cancelling headphones and an eye mask and I can sleep through it all.
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19. ChuckMcM ◴[16 Oct 24 22:10 UTC] No.41864342[source]▶
Does the screen stay in one place or does it move when you move your head? That turned out to be the thing that made viture glasses unusable for me. I get that slam can be hard but I would be okay with sticking a target sticker up somewhere in my field of view and having the glasses force the screen there.
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20. derefr ◴[16 Oct 24 22:38 UTC] No.41864576[source]▶
Taking a flight as an opportunity to indulge in a moment of blissful idleness is great... on a three-hour flight.

But on a 14-hour trans-continental flight, you've gotta have something to do. If nothing else, to distract you from how uncomfortable it is to be effectively confined to your seat + a few feet of narrow walkway for that long. That's more confined than a prison cell!

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21. jeeva ◴[16 Oct 24 22:42 UTC] No.41864602[source]▶
There's also a fantastic plugin specifically for the Steam Deck that adds a bunch of excellent functionality.
22. worldsayshi ◴[16 Oct 24 22:45 UTC] No.41864627[source]▶
I've been looking for this as well but have never heard anyone that found glasses good enough for coding.
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23. alsetmusic ◴[16 Oct 24 23:01 UTC] No.41864757[source]▶
Helps for nodding off on the flight, too.
24. alfiedotwtf ◴[16 Oct 24 23:23 UTC] No.41864909[source]▶
This, and watching nothing but the real-time flight map.
25. sho_hn ◴[16 Oct 24 23:27 UTC] No.41864930{3}[source]▶
Nah. I do Europe-Korea frequently, and I've definitely slowly settled into a happy optimum of sleeping 7-8 hours inbetween the meals.

Killing time is a rather slower flight experience than being unconscious.

I'm very happy WiFi continues to be an expensive opt-in product. If it was always-on, I'm sure I'd break the above habit.

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26. futureshock ◴[16 Oct 24 23:30 UTC] No.41864944[source]▶
For my 12 hour transatlantics, nothing beats a Steamdeck for me. Sure it’s less immersive than a VR or xreal but it doesn’t really matter once you get into the game. I can easily play for 8 hours and barely notice the flight.
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27. nox101 ◴[16 Oct 24 23:34 UTC] No.41864965{4}[source]▶
Good for you. I can't sleep sitting on plane. The only times I've been able to to sleep is (1) getting a free upgrade to 1st class where I could lie down (2) a mostly empty plane where I could stretch out across three seats.
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28. DidYaWipe ◴[16 Oct 24 23:40 UTC] No.41865004[source]▶
Those look pretty cool. Can you make the image from the input source fill your field of view? My issue with all of these headsets so far is the dumb "virtual screen" that's "equivalent to a 60-foot screen 100 feet away!"
29. DidYaWipe ◴[16 Oct 24 23:41 UTC] No.41865012{5}[source]▶
AKA DisplayPort
30. latentsea ◴[17 Oct 24 00:06 UTC] No.41865161[source]▶
I work lying down using my Meta Quest 3 sometimes when my back gets sore. I love it.
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31. stevage ◴[17 Oct 24 00:19 UTC] No.41865221{3}[source]▶
>But on a 14-hour trans-continental flight

Now you've got me wondering if that's even possible. Ankara to Singapore? Durban to Algiers?

Edit: to be clear, I was nitpicking "trans continental", ie., flights within the same continent.

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32. krispyfi ◴[17 Oct 24 00:29 UTC] No.41865256{5}[source]▶
Like you, I cannot sleep on vehicles, but I used benzos on a recent flight, and it was like an instant time-skip forward during nighttime of the destination time zone, which helped with jet lag. Benzos are pretty terrible for you if used regularly, but if you have the self-control to limit your usage to a few long flights a year, it would be irrational not to take advantage of them. (I am not a doctor)
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33. zamadatix ◴[17 Oct 24 00:46 UTC] No.41865360{4}[source]▶
Much of Europe to Japan, LAX to China or Australia, NYC to India or Japan (opposite directions). It's really quite common, you can check around by airport using this map with the duration filter set to 14+ https://www.flightconnections.com/flights-from-new-york-ewr
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34. AshamedCaptain ◴[17 Oct 24 00:50 UTC] No.41865381{5}[source]▶
Like everything else, it's a skill you can train.
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35. mr_toad ◴[17 Oct 24 00:55 UTC] No.41865400{4}[source]▶
Auckland to London is about 23 hours.
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36. sho_hn ◴[17 Oct 24 00:58 UTC] No.41865415{5}[source]▶
I couldn't sleep on planes my entire life until one year I did Europe-Korea 8 times and it became so routine it started working.

The routine part, I think, is what took the "I won't sleep on this long flight" anxiety away somehow, because I started learning the rhythm of the flight. For example, there is no point to try and sleep until the initial meal is served, you'll just get woken up anyway. So now I just spend that time thinking and daydreaming and being bored, then I quietly eat my meal but stop at feeling overly fully, and by the time it's over I start to get tired.

I also realized that a sleeping mask is a great aid for me (on the other hand, I don't need earplugs/earphones). This came as a great surprise, as I don't typically need darkness to sleep well, but something about the sensory deprivation in the plane setting seems to do the trick.

What I'm saying is, I used to describe myself as the "I don't sleep on planes" guy for a good decade, but then it started working; don't give up yet.

BTW, to give this a software dimension: I was recently on a flight with an airline I hadn't used before, and I really liked a UI in their in-flight infotainment that showed the entire flight as a timeline with all meaningful events penciled in (when the meals are, etc.) and a recommendation during which blocks to sleep. That was really nice and thoughtful.

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37. sho_hn ◴[17 Oct 24 01:06 UTC] No.41865464{4}[source]▶
To add to a sibling comment: Thanks to the Ukraine war and having to fly around both Russia and Ukraine, this is many additional routes from Europe toward East now that used to be shorter.
38. stevage ◴[17 Oct 24 01:16 UTC] No.41865517{5}[source]▶
Yep, I live in Melbourne. It's the trans-continental bit I was querying.
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39. stevage ◴[17 Oct 24 01:17 UTC] No.41865521{5}[source]▶
Not in a single leg though, surely.
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40. HolySE ◴[17 Oct 24 01:28 UTC] No.41865582{6}[source]▶
> BTW, to give this a software dimension: I was recently on a flight with an airline I hadn't used before, and I really liked a UI in their in-flight infotainment that showed the entire flight as a timeline with all meaningful events penciled in (when the meals are, etc.) and a recommendation during which blocks to sleep. That was really nice and thoughtful.

Do you recall which airline this was? Given similar pricing, this seems like a useful differentiator that would sway my decision of which airline to pick.

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41. mrbonner ◴[17 Oct 24 01:33 UTC] No.41865606[source]▶
Never known this exists. How’s the experience from HN users here? I may get the Aair as it is on-sale now.
42. seb1204 ◴[17 Oct 24 01:34 UTC] No.41865608{7}[source]▶
Not sure why not mention the airline in the post directly. Is this some kind of avoiding advertising for the brand? Really curious. Can't be click bait or SEO on hn.
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43. sho_hn ◴[17 Oct 24 01:42 UTC] No.41865647{8}[source]▶
Ironically, probably just sleepiness - I was posting from bed with an infant that wakes up periodically. Sadly WiFi is not opt-in in my bedroom :-)

It was Finnair from Berlin to Seoul, via Helsinki.

Edit: I found a YouTube video showing a version of this feature from 8 years ago, but I think the one I saw was a bit more refined: https://youtu.be/5-CrsPAZslg - still, interesting that it's this old and I haven't seen it anywhere else.

44. rhcom2 ◴[17 Oct 24 02:29 UTC] No.41865872{6}[source]▶
Just curious how tall are you? At 6'3 I thought I'd never learn that skill.
45. killjoywashere ◴[17 Oct 24 02:37 UTC] No.41865920[source]▶
I write this while on a United IAD-SFO direct (a bit over 5 hours), sipping a scotch on the rocks.

I've gotten the AVP demo at Apple HQ 3 times now, twice before release day. I really like it, can't imagine dropping $5000 of my own cash on it. Maybe for V2. I had a similar reaction to the Airpods Max. V2 is here. Meh. In this case, my boss has indicated we can get a few for testing, but the check's still in the mail. I have a certified-for-actual-flight-training VR system next to my desk at the office and have used that more than anyone else in the office that I'm aware of. So despite some of the most compelling, hard, spatial problems on Earth, medicine and national defense - everything from protein docking to casualty evacuation in contested environments, I'm hanging tight for now.

46. runjake ◴[17 Oct 24 02:42 UTC] No.41865947{3}[source]▶
> a moment of blissful idleness

Popularly known as “raw dogging” or “barebacking” a flight, apparently.

https://www.gq.com/story/why-men-are-rawdogging-flights

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47. zamadatix ◴[17 Oct 24 02:43 UTC] No.41865955{6}[source]▶
Ah, good catch - I read right through that.
48. AB1908 ◴[17 Oct 24 02:49 UTC] No.41865987{3}[source]▶
Can you elaborate? Do you use Virtual Desktop or have something like termux and ssh in to a separate box?
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49. DidYaWipe ◴[17 Oct 24 04:14 UTC] No.41866365{4}[source]▶
Great example of people who are ignorant of slang, using it in inappropriate contexts.
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50. ncr100 ◴[17 Oct 24 04:17 UTC] No.41866384{3}[source]▶
Does the device ignore head tilt, keeping the screen in-place as your head moves?
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51. hobos_delight ◴[17 Oct 24 04:54 UTC] No.41866523{4}[source]▶
It appears to have that mode they call "Body Anchor" - limits the device to 72Hz with "minimal latency".

https://www.xreal.com/air2/

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52. librasteve ◴[17 Oct 24 05:31 UTC] No.41866688{6}[source]▶
true … longest non stop is something like london to perth aus at 16 hours
53. arghnoname ◴[17 Oct 24 06:46 UTC] No.41867037{6}[source]▶
Benzos are my flight go-to. I got them for some flight anxiety, since my stupid brain started getting scared of flying, but boy do they just make the time go by and I manage to doze. It's not good quality, but it beats the total lack of sleep I'd customarily get.

Outside of flying, I have no temptation or desire to take them thankfully, so a prescription with ten pills lasts me literally years.

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54. ainiriand ◴[17 Oct 24 07:14 UTC] No.41867180{4}[source]▶
Europe -> South America, the southernmost parts like Montevideo or Buenos Aires.

There are direct flights from Madrid that take around 13-14 hours.

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55. beAbU ◴[17 Oct 24 07:31 UTC] No.41867264{5}[source]▶
Transcontinental means within a continent. Last time I checked Europe and South America are not the same continent.
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56. BiteCode_dev ◴[17 Oct 24 07:45 UTC] No.41867336{6}[source]▶
Why something so strong and not melatonin?

Real question, never tried any.

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57. royletron ◴[17 Oct 24 08:05 UTC] No.41867419[source]▶
Steam Deck and AKGs. I've finally chipped away at that monstrous Steam library.
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58. BlindEyeHalo ◴[17 Oct 24 08:07 UTC] No.41867427{4}[source]▶
There are many people that cannot sleep on planes so "just go to sleep" is not exactly a great response to people looking for entertainment.
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59. NIckGeek ◴[17 Oct 24 08:19 UTC] No.41867500{6}[source]▶
You typically have to stop in LA, Singapore, or the UAE. The NZ -> Europe flights are brutal, and the trip back is typically even longer.
60. marcosscriven ◴[17 Oct 24 08:22 UTC] No.41867516[source]▶
What are AKGs?
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61. ssl-3 ◴[17 Oct 24 08:51 UTC] No.41867660{3}[source]▶
AKG is perhaps most-famous for making some rather revered lines of microphones. They also make very good headphones.
62. royletron ◴[17 Oct 24 08:57 UTC] No.41867689{3}[source]▶
Yeah basically very big headphones. No need for noise cancelling if you have a thick closed back... well sorta
63. lynx23 ◴[17 Oct 24 09:02 UTC] No.41867714{7}[source]▶
I am sorry, melatonin doesn't really do anything. It might give some the extra "kick" to fall asleep in a relaxed situation at home, but it definitely is not useful for "I need to go asleep while being pretty wound up" which is what people are talking here.
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64. lewispollard ◴[17 Oct 24 09:49 UTC] No.41867978[source]▶
I think you need the XReal Beam in addition to the glasses to be able to anchor the screen in space, without it the screen is just fixed to the glasses.
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65. lewispollard ◴[17 Oct 24 09:58 UTC] No.41868024{5}[source]▶
That's only with the XReal Beam. I don't know if it's possible to use the Beam and an external device like the Steam Deck together though.

Edit: yes, it appears it has a passthrough for displaying an external device - it does introduce a little latency though.

66. tessierashpool9 ◴[17 Oct 24 10:09 UTC] No.41868077[source]▶
doesn't it depend on how long the flight is? the effect of alcohol is pleasant and relaxing for few hours. after that it gets me sleepless tired and my legs need to fidget more than otherwise.
67. tessierashpool9 ◴[17 Oct 24 10:17 UTC] No.41868136{3}[source]▶
for me its rather ear plugs _without_ nc. the nc cancels out the droning of the engine and aerodynamics but it leaves conversations, music and crying babies. with simple earplugs the droning (which i don't mind) helps covering up voices. of course anc + random noise is the silver bullet.
68. hnlmorg ◴[17 Oct 24 10:37 UTC] No.41868239{6}[source]▶
Not if you have a medical condition like sleep apnea.

I wish I could go to sleep on a plane. I’m someone who can sleep in most vehicles. Unfortunately it’s that same reason I can, which is why I shouldn’t.

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69. jcul ◴[17 Oct 24 11:01 UTC] No.41868384[source]▶
These actually look pretty cool, and affordable.

My understanding is that I can just use them as an external monitor, so if I'm traveling I could plug in my linux laptop and just have an external monitor to work on and could play music through them at the same time.

That sounds really tempting to me, travel work setups are always sub optimal. I have a portable external monitor, and can bring my mechanical keyboard, and if there's a spare TV I might also use it.

But it's still not the same as a proper home setup.

Even for working on a couch, it would be nice to have a screen in front of you so you don't have to slouch.

My understanding is that they can be used standalone as a monitor, or if you want to actually do VR stuff, play VR games etc, you need to buy a "XREAL Beam" or "XREAL Beam Pro" which does the VR apps etc?

Not too sure on the differences between Air, Air 2, Air 2 pro etc, but for my requirements they would all probably be fine.

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70. wkjagt ◴[17 Oct 24 11:11 UTC] No.41868444{7}[source]▶
Melatonin isn't a sleep drug. It's something your brain makes naturally at the end of the day when it gets dark etc. As I understand it, it's part of your bio clock and is not much more than your brain telling your body it's time to go to sleep. But if you're on a plane and you're nervous about flying, you won't fall asleep any more than in any other situation where you're nervous and not lying in your bed. You don't necessarily need something stronger, you need something different.
71. prodent ◴[17 Oct 24 11:29 UTC] No.41868582{5}[source]▶
Slang evolves.
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72. ainiriand ◴[17 Oct 24 12:16 UTC] No.41868926{6}[source]▶
Sorry, brain fart.
73. 1oooqooq ◴[17 Oct 24 12:17 UTC] No.41868934[source]▶
go for a bloody Mary. the extra beta carotenoids are good for the skin under increased uv in high altitude. or so i tell myself.
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75. rtpg ◴[17 Oct 24 12:33 UTC] No.41869049{3}[source]▶
Got the screen right there, watch a random movie like the rest of the Hoi Poloi!

I think it's honestly a great moment for cultural leveling. There's always a couple classics in the machine. I (un)seriously judge people who feel the need to get Wifi access on flights so that they can just chat on Discord. You have an excuse to just watch a movie!

76. jfoster ◴[17 Oct 24 12:34 UTC] No.41869050{3}[source]▶
When I tried Apple Vision Pro I thought the quality might be good enough for coding. I don't think I could bear wearing it for long periods, though.
77. terhechte ◴[17 Oct 24 12:42 UTC] No.41869125{3}[source]▶
I'm using a Quest3 for coding when I'm travelling with the Immersed app. It is a bit of a setup, but it allows using a USB-C cable for the connection. It also can open multiple virtual screens. I usually have 4 screens open. The resolution is not as good as the VisionPro but having 4 screens in a slightly lower resolution allows me to be able to read everything quite well.
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78. wkat4242 ◴[17 Oct 24 12:43 UTC] No.41869130[source]▶
With a Samsung phone you can even get a whole desktop to work on. With bluetooth mouse and keyboard you can be really productive
79. wkat4242 ◴[17 Oct 24 12:44 UTC] No.41869140{4}[source]▶
With my CPAP need that's not going to work :(
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80. fernandotakai ◴[17 Oct 24 13:03 UTC] No.41869281{3}[source]▶
veritasium made a video about airplanes and he specifically talks about tomato juice in planes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjDYfvPW4mA&t=908s
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81. BossingAround ◴[17 Oct 24 13:34 UTC] No.41869535{4}[source]▶
I don't think that's what it means. Raw dogging a flight means staying awake while doing nothing.

I suppose most people that want to "raw dog" a flight will fall asleep eventually, so I guess there's that. But I think getting buzzed and just slipping into a bad nap for like 12 hours is a bit different, at least to my mind.

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83. pomatic ◴[17 Oct 24 13:54 UTC] No.41869700{3}[source]▶
No, that's not right - you can anchor the screen in space with their app. Source: NReal/XReal v2 user.
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84. pomatic ◴[17 Oct 24 13:56 UTC] No.41869721{5}[source]▶
Actually historically they are pretty finicky about resolution and refresh rate - it's only with the last firmware update or two that they work with RPi reliably for example - I couldn't come up with a working X config for a long time.
85. apitman ◴[17 Oct 24 14:27 UTC] No.41870006{3}[source]▶
I don't know your situation so grain of salt, but the best thing I ever did for my back pain was to start deadlifting.
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86. wheels ◴[17 Oct 24 14:47 UTC] No.41870174{7}[source]▶
One word of caution there (aside from other dangers of benzos): I had a friend use them on a flight from the US to UK, and apparently was still obviously intoxicated from them when arriving, and got rejected at the border, put in a holding area, and sent back on the next flight. If going through a place where you'll actually have to talk with an immigration officer, not necessarily the smartest thing.
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87. mncharity ◴[17 Oct 24 14:53 UTC] No.41870232{5}[source]▶
Knowing nothing, I was curious (there's also an apnea comment). It seems travel CPAP and APAP (auto pressure) is a thing, but travel BiPAP (inhale/exhale pressures; required by some conditions) not so much. A recent reddit comments suggest non-existent (exhalation relief only). Most all need Heat Moisture Exchange plugs. Yet I noticed eg the Philips BiPAP Pro Bi-Flex, bit of a brick (1.5 kg; 2500 linear cm - but qualifies as a medical device), but its spec says ok for airlines w/o humidifier attachment. So I'm puzzled.
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88. dlkmp ◴[17 Oct 24 15:08 UTC] No.41870385{3}[source]▶
I can't even do this at home, let alone in a semi-public place around strangers. Being blind and deaf makes me feel uneasy.
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89. saalweachter ◴[17 Oct 24 15:09 UTC] No.41870392{6}[source]▶
So airlines allow 2 batteries of up to 160Wh (with airline approval) and as many 100Wh batteries as you can carry [note: I have not actually tried to show up to the TSA security line with a suitcase full of 100Wh batteries, so your mileage may vary].

A BiPAP machine uses 50-150 Watts, according to a random Google query, so you're looking at somewhere between 500 and 1400 Wh of total storage to get your 9 hours of sleep on a plane.

So what you're looking for is (a) a way to daisychain these batteries together so that you don't need to wake up ever 40 minutes to 2 hours to swap batteries and (b) a way to plug in your BiPAP machine, if your battery packs are all USB-C and your BiPAP isn't.

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90. Scoundreller ◴[17 Oct 24 15:13 UTC] No.41870420{4}[source]▶
That’s what the gin and tonic step is for
91. wkat4242 ◴[17 Oct 24 15:27 UTC] No.41870550{7}[source]▶
Ehm this is not really accurate. Not many people use a BiPAP machine. They're only for very old people who have serious difficulties breathing. A BiPAP machine can serve a largely different pressure for exhaling and inhaling, a normal CPAP machine can only do that with about 2cmH2O difference which isn't a lot. But normal people have no issue exhaling against the output of a CPAP anyway so it's not a problem.

For this reason BiPAPs have much more beefy motors so they can ramp up and down quickly. Or perhaps two separate motors, I have never taken one apart (I have normal CPAPs which is basically just a pressure fan in a box with some regulation electronics)

But anyway my point is, a normal CPAP doesn't use that much power. It may use more than that if a humidifier is used (which is probably not a bad idea on a plane, but it requires distilled water which is an issue to bring on the plane in sufficient quantity). Because the humidifier is just a heater and heaters use lots of power.

I don't use a humidifier, my CPAP has a PSU of about 60W but I doubt it uses more than 20. The problem is more that they are not USB-C powered, nor are there official USB-C converters for it. I could probably construct one but bringing home-built electronics on a plane is probably not a great idea either.

So yeah I don't think this will be a great option tbh. If power is provided on the plane it would work but I've never seen this on my flights except in business/first.

92. wkat4242 ◴[17 Oct 24 15:31 UTC] No.41870596{6}[source]▶
BiPAP is very very rare. It's only for very frail people that probably don't fly anyway. A BiPAP can lower the pressure considerably when the user exhales, that's why. They need power to ramp up/down quickly. Most people have a normal CPAP or an Auto CPAP. The auto mode is often used to determine the optimal pressure and then that is set to be fixed (because the ramping up/down of the auto mode can be annoying).

Travel CPAPs are a thing but you can't just buy one where I live. They're only supplied by the medical service here, and they don't do travel versions. It's not allowed to buy one yourself (and they're very expensive, around 700 bucks).

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93. foobarian ◴[17 Oct 24 16:06 UTC] No.41870940{3}[source]▶
Being 6'8" makes it very challenging due to no head support. I would love to come up with some kind of elastic harness rig that would also not be rejected by security protocols.
94. runjake ◴[17 Oct 24 16:17 UTC] No.41871056{5}[source]▶
> I don't think that's what it means. Raw dogging a flight means staying awake while doing nothing.

That sounds an awful lot like idleness.

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95. the__alchemist ◴[17 Oct 24 16:22 UTC] No.41871102{6}[source]▶
Why benzos over Ambien?
96. vladgur ◴[17 Oct 24 16:25 UTC] No.41871120[source]▶
I tried to find a feature/spec comparison of different xreal air models currently for sale on their website and utterly failed.

Or they intentionally want to confuse people

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97. vladgur ◴[17 Oct 24 16:32 UTC] No.41871180{6}[source]▶
I am lucky to live in a state where marijuana is legal and basically had a THC candy before boarding a 14 hour flight to Sydney.

Slept like a baby with munchies being the only side effect

98. 1oooqooq ◴[17 Oct 24 16:58 UTC] No.41871411{4}[source]▶
valeu por compartilhar.

good video. now i have two excuses for the flight bloody Mary.

99. solardev ◴[17 Oct 24 16:58 UTC] No.41871413[source]▶
How do you hold it comfortably? It's so heavy my weak pathetic arms got tired after half an hour or so.

Ended up selling my Deck and using a much lighter handheld instead.

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100. kelnos ◴[17 Oct 24 17:00 UTC] No.41871434{5}[source]▶
I would expect that the people who came up with this meaning know exactly what the original slang means, and did it intentionally. Though yeah, I'm sure there are people who use it who don't know what it really means.
101. BossingAround ◴[17 Oct 24 17:03 UTC] No.41871455{6}[source]▶
Yes... I think the trend of "raw dogging" a flight is a response to the constant need to do something - scroll through a phone, listen to a podcast, read the latest NYT story... Doing nothing, on the other hand, is pretty much what meditation is, which has been shown to provide a lot of amazing benefits for the brain.

Idleness is then just a religious (Protestant Christian?) spin on a perfectly normal thing, much like masturbation.

102. amitdeshwar ◴[17 Oct 24 17:59 UTC] No.41871983{7}[source]▶
You can use your CPAP machine with a external battery pack on airplanes. I do this regularly when flying long distances. In principle you should be able to also just plug in to the power sockets but for some reason this goes against most airlines policies.
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103. mncharity ◴[17 Oct 24 18:34 UTC] No.41872388{7}[source]▶
> you can't just buy one where I live [...] very expensive

Ah, ok. Tnx. I assumed availability(eg [1]), so with a $1k-ish cost similar-order to travel, I wandered off looking for other obstacles.

The HME plugs used with travel CPAPs instead of a humidifier, with calcium chloride foam to transfer heat and moisture from exhalation to inhalation, looked interesting tech with winter coming. But for day-ish replacement.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHSc1N0ervY

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104. wkat4242 ◴[17 Oct 24 18:42 UTC] No.41872489{8}[source]▶
Oh yeah I can't stand humid air anyway, it makes me feel like choking. So I do without a humidifier even though I get nosebleeds in winter. I tend to rub some lip balm inside my nose and it alleviates it somewhat :P

And yeah the Resmed Airmini and Breez Z2 are the only ones I've seen for sale in my previous country (where it was legal to buy them personally if you have a prescription) but they added up to well over 1000 euros with the battery kit which for some weird reason is not included. For my country (medium-wage) that's pretty steep.

105. mncharity ◴[17 Oct 24 18:55 UTC] No.41872657{7}[source]▶
Sorry, my bad - regional availability and cost were the challenge, not BiPAP-ness. A Luna TravelPAP looks 20 W max and there's a USB-C cord. Heat and humidity is separate - a disposable sponge.

Given 100Wh batteries, I've wondered if one could kludge a TSA-compatible carry-on electric mobility device, like skateboard wheels plus selfie sticks, as a one-bag travel scooter. My hungry laptop already needs several. Or carry a conversion kit for an "amazon, use, then give away" inexpensive manual kick scooter.

106. adolph ◴[17 Oct 24 20:12 UTC] No.41873284{6}[source]▶
slippery slang slingers
107. hnlmorg ◴[17 Oct 24 20:44 UTC] No.41873574{8}[source]▶
Mine doesn’t support that.

The reason airlines don’t allow CPAP to be plugged in is because they don’t want people to suffocate if the power goes out in the cabin. But that’s just bonkers because CPAP masks have an escape valve for that purpose already.

In the end, I gave up arguing with the airlines and just keep myself busy on flights. It makes the travel much less comfortable but the one upside is I almost never have jet lag.

108. derefr ◴[17 Oct 24 20:53 UTC] No.41873672{8}[source]▶
One not-oft-mentioned thing melatonin seems to do (at least in my own experience) is that it cancels out the effects of earlier-consumed caffeine in preventing sleep. So if you're overtired and awake only because of caffeine, melatonin will put you out pretty quickly.
109. unlikelytomato ◴[17 Oct 24 23:41 UTC] No.41874942{3}[source]▶
I have struggled with the same experience. It's just too heavy for me.
110. latentsea ◴[18 Oct 24 02:34 UTC] No.41875888{4}[source]▶
I use immersed. I use it on both my windows based work laptop as well as my Ubuntu based private laptop. It's pretty easy, and pretty smooth.

https://immersed.com/

111. RockRobotRock ◴[18 Oct 24 02:59 UTC] No.41875991[source]▶
For the price of an AVP, you can buy an Xreal for yourself, everyone in your row, the pilot, and flight attendant.
112. astrostl ◴[18 Oct 24 05:33 UTC] No.41876603[source]▶
It's pretty bad.

Air: the originals, still rather good, just reinforce the fragile temples

Air 2: the current standard, pile of minor upgrades and higher durability

Air 2 Pro: same as the Air 2 with an electronic dimming option for the lenses

Air 2 Ultra: the Air platform dev kit

The very bottom of the Air 2 page has an Air/2/Pro comparison.

113. rurban ◴[18 Oct 24 06:47 UTC] No.41876935{6}[source]▶
That would be intercontinental. Trans is across, inter is within.
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114. worldsayshi ◴[18 Oct 24 11:13 UTC] No.41878300{4}[source]▶
Do you find it good enough to consider using it as a second screen replacement in a normal office environment?
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115. kevincox ◴[18 Oct 24 11:37 UTC] No.41878420{5}[source]▶
This is me. I almost always try to sleep but am lucky to get 2h on a 20h flight.
116. terhechte ◴[18 Oct 24 12:34 UTC] No.41878821{5}[source]▶
No. It's good for a couple of hours, but I much prefer my 27" screen at home for a whole workday. I haven't tried the same experience on the Vision Pro yet because that's not something Apple lets you try out when you book the free demo, so I can't compare, but I'd guess it will be similar because at some point you get tired from the weight on your face.
117. holly_kx ◴[18 Oct 24 23:26 UTC] No.41884392{3}[source]▶
You will need to tweak things to work for your eyes and preferences. In the glasses field of view, black background = transparency; Solarized background in my editor works for me. Same with web pages, I used a browser extension to change white to something similar to solarized background in vscode. YMMV
118. degrews ◴[18 Oct 24 23:44 UTC] No.41884480{4}[source]▶
It depends on your device. If your device doesn't support the Nebula app, you need the Beam.
119. degrews ◴[18 Oct 24 23:59 UTC] No.41884544[source]▶
You can plug them directly into your laptop (as long as it supports DP Alt mode, which I understand is common - my Thinkpad does). But, the virtual monitor will be in a fixed position relative to your head. Which is really not comfortable. In order to get the virtual screen to stay fixed in space while you move your head, you need the Beam.

I use the Xreal Air 1 with the Beam on my Thinkpad X1 and it's great. I really recommend it for flights. I don't understand why it hasn't gotten more popular. I can use my laptop comfortably for many hours, which makes long flights a lot more tolerable.

I only use them for laptop productivity. Not sure about VR stuff.

120. degrews ◴[19 Oct 24 00:01 UTC] No.41884551{3}[source]▶
I got mine for $60 shipping incl from HONS VR. And they work well.
121. degrews ◴[19 Oct 24 00:03 UTC] No.41884558{5}[source]▶
Just note that you will also need the Xreal Beam if you want the virtual screen to stay fixed in space while you move your head (it's too uncomfortable to use without it IMO).
122. degrews ◴[19 Oct 24 00:06 UTC] No.41884569{3}[source]▶
I use the Xreal for coding while traveling. It's not as nice as a monitor, but it's definitely good enough for coding IMO.
123. beAbU ◴[19 Oct 24 14:32 UTC] No.41887966{7}[source]▶
Intra is within, as in intranet. Inter is accross or between, as in internet.

So transcontinental is accross the same continent. Intercontinental is between separate continents.

124. BluePen7 ◴[21 Oct 24 18:34 UTC] No.41907000{4}[source]▶
As someone recovering from back pain from a car accident, back pain (or tightness) often just means there's a weakness somewhere, probably at or anywhere below that location (could be tight hips, even ankles).

It's finding that weakness that can sometimes be the hard part, but deadlifts use the whole damn back so they're great to cover that area.

That being said, the body loves to try and compensate, so I didn't find proper relief with home workouts (and often just aggravated things), I needed all the gym machines to properly isolate muscles so my body wouldn't try and cheat. Trying random machines is also a great way to identify weaknesses.

125. arghnoname ◴[21 Oct 24 22:31 UTC] No.41909268{8}[source]▶
Wow what a nightmare. I try to time it so I'm lucid before landing, but that's a horror I hadn't even considered!