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pistoleer ◴[] No.41856374[source]
It surprises me to read about "fixed metal frame" awnings. You don't _have_ to make that trade off.

In the Netherlands a lot of houses have electrically retractable awnings (or even just mechanically windable by hand), especially above the giant windows facing the back yard.

During winter and bad weather, we retract the awning. When it's too sunny, we deploy it.

typical row house layout with big windows on both sides: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doorzonwoning

retractable awning: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zonnescherm

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dumbo-octopus ◴[] No.41856655[source]
We have them in america too. But every moving part comes with inflated costs for both acquisition and ongoing maintenance.
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pistoleer ◴[] No.41856685[source]
In the Netherlands it costs around a grand, as for maintenance... Haven't needed to do any in more than 15 years. The actual screen retracts into a weather proof metal casing, so there's not that much that goes wrong, whereas fixed awnings are exposed to the full weather gamut 24/7.

Let me put it this way: it's cheap enough that a lot of social housing and other cheap forms of housing inhabited by the "lower class" feature them.

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dumbo-octopus ◴[] No.41856747[source]
A government paying for a thing does not in any way imply that the thing is a good use of money. How many decades of fabric replacements could you get from the savings of bolting on a simple metal frame as compared to an elaborate electromechanically actuated arm mechanism?
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malermeister ◴[] No.41856877[source]
In the Netherlands? If its bolted on, it won't even last a year. The North Sea has a lot of storms ;)
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dumbo-octopus[dead post] ◴[] No.41856977[source]
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kuschku ◴[] No.41857102[source]
Northwestern Europe usually gets a storm at hurricane level 2 every one or two years and several at level 1 per season. There's a reason the name for these storms – Orkan – is derived from hurricane.

For comparison, that's similar or slightly higher in strength than hurricane Sandy when it hit the northeast of the US.

That's why if you have fixed awnings in this region of europe, they're usually removed as soon as fall hits (which compromises on the fixed part) or made of metal (which compromises on the "awning" part IMO).

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1. philwelch ◴[] No.41861238[source]
What scale are you using for “hurricane level”? In the US, I’m familiar with the Saffir-Simpson scale, where a “major” hurricane is defined as Category 3 and above (the scale goes up to 5). Hurricane Sandy was a mere Category 1 on that scale by the time it hit the US.

To be fair, I don’t think fixed metal awnings are fashionable in Florida for similar reasons.

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2. kuschku ◴[] No.41864362[source]
I was indeed using the Saffir-Simpson scale.

Regarding "major", that's a bit more complicated. While US hurricanes usually are very strong when they form, by the time they hit landfall they've usually lost a lot of energy. Katrina was a category 3 when it hit the US. As was the most recent storm, Milton.

While European windstorms are less strong, they usually hit around their peak. A typical Orkan has around 160-190km/h sustained wind speeds at landfall, which would be comparable to a Category 2 or 3 hurricane.

I'm not trying to put them on the same level as e.g. Helene, but they're certainly strong enough that fixed awnings aren't exactly a good idea.

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3. philwelch ◴[] No.41866817[source]
> I'm not trying to put them on the same level as e.g. Helene, but they're certainly strong enough that fixed awnings aren't exactly a good idea.

Agreed on that!