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In Jordan, a ‘stunning’ discovery under Petra’s ancient stone

(www.nytimes.com)
129 points aguaviva | 2 comments | 14 Oct 24 18:46 UTC | HN request time: 0.464s | source
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lubujackson ◴[15 Oct 24 00:27 UTC] No.41843700[source]▶
Not to get all Indiana Jonesy about it, but 12 skeletons? From right around year 0? And they even show a picture of a weathered, ceramic cup?

The article plays it straight, but I'm pretty sure this = Holy Grail confirmed.

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0xbadcafebee ◴[15 Oct 24 22:33 UTC] No.41853822[source]▶
In movie reality, this is definitely the Holy Grail. In real reality (for those not familiar), the grail is a legend invented in the middle ages.
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Mistletoe ◴[16 Oct 24 13:58 UTC] No.41859096[source]▶
And it’s funny how much effort has been expended finding ridiculous items like this and ignoring the message of Jesus or following what he said. Imagine Jesus’ response if you showed him a cup he used or a splinter of the cross he died on. “Okay…” But I get it, humans like relics and totems, I think it is hard coded in our DNA.
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panick21_ ◴[16 Oct 24 15:06 UTC] No.41859937[source]▶
> and ignoring the message of Jesus or following what he said.

We have absolutely no idea what Jesus said.

If we have any evidence at all of what Jesus said it would be 'Romans GTFO' because that's what gets you actually curlicued (ignore the nonsense in the gospels).

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1. PepperdineG ◴[16 Oct 24 16:13 UTC] No.41860837[source]▶
I believe Brian wrote that in letters 30 feet tall before he was crucified
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2. panick21_ ◴[17 Oct 24 08:36 UTC] No.41867581[source]▶
That movie is full of insight. That whole 'nobody can hear Jesus talking' is a great point as well. Those speeches are just pure fiction, just as the speeches from Alexander and friends are. Real ancient historians even admitted that they just made up the speeches to add some flavor.

In fact that whole speech from the gospel was most likely simple something 'Matthew' (not actual Matthew the character from the bible, but some random author who's script was later titled 'Mathew' by the church) inserted into Mark. And funny enough in these speeches Jesus just happen to say some stuff that overrides a number of points from 'Mark'. Its almost as if 'Matthew' used Jesus to voice his own opinions.