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troupo ◴[] No.41856125[source]
I came across an opinion I largely agree with: https://mastodon.social/@lapcatsoftware/113308133338196824 and https://mastodon.social/@lapcatsoftware/113308273654667583

> These big tech companies will do anything possible to prevent users from ever actually being able to access their own passkeys.

> Export and import should have been extremely simple. Instead, they took years to come up with some convoluted system where the only possibility is to transfer from one vendor lock-in to another vendor lock-in.

> With passkeys, the big tech companies are executing a coup d'état of authentication, just like they did for HTML itself.

> In the end, they control every protocol, become the gatekeepers for the web.

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skybrian ◴[] No.41856772[source]
Unlike your photo collection, passkeys aren’t precious. They’re just meaningless data. You can and should generate additional ones for each password manager you use, so you have multiple independent ways of getting into an account. As long as you can do that, everything is replaceable and there’s no lock-in.

Similarly, I wouldn’t copy a private key for ssh to a new laptop. I generate a new one and copy the public key instead. It makes it easier to revoke access to the old computer.

I do think this new spec will sometimes be useful for populating a new password manager, though.

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jauntywundrkind ◴[] No.41857222[source]
The proposal that any time o create an account o need multiple physical tokens or multiple password managers running is unbelievably stupid & fantastical. This whole project is doomed doomed doomed of this is the model.

I've never seen a single sight suggest this either. Many have set up passkeys, but not one has prompted me to create a second. I have downloaded a lot of backup keys though.

Sorry to be on blast here but every time passkeys come up the "use multiple keys" gets said & it's a joke. There needs to be a flow where I can create a passkey & have it replicate to a bunch of devices automatically; the current proposal that users need to gather all their security tokens & add each one is an absolute promise this technology is going to flop.

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1. skybrian ◴[] No.41860370[source]
I bring it up because people claim there is lock-in and it’s not true.

Apple and Google both replicate between devices, so there is some replication, within ecosystems. I only need to create a passkey twice per account so I can use both. It’s not a big deal, though replicating between them would be better.

And so I am clearly not locked in. (Not because of passkeys, anyway.) If people think they’re locked in then it’s a “can’t be bothered” sort of lock-in.

Clearly not fantastical since I’m doing it.