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coldpie ◴[] No.41859298[source]
Passed 3-2 along party lines. Remember this when you're going to vote. Elections matter.
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randcraw ◴[] No.41859355[source]
How could ANYBODY vote against this?
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llamaimperative[dead post] ◴[] No.41859627[source]
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macinjosh[dead post] ◴[] No.41859781[source]
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llamaimperative ◴[] No.41859856[source]
Sure, that is how it was designed. The reason it doesn't work that way anymore is because of a continuous parade of states violating Americans' rights, each one so egregious that people said "yeah, it was designed the way macinjosh describes, but boy it turns out a lot of these state 'cultures' or 'identities' are producing despicable outcomes for our fellow Americans, and we should step up to prevent those abuses."
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1. sickofparadox ◴[] No.41859892[source]
"I know better than the people that voted for their own state government so I am going to force my will upon them."

Mindsets like this are actually why democracies fail.

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2. llamaimperative ◴[] No.41859917[source]
What?

In that case, why have a state government? Why not have everything determined county-by-county?

In fact, why have it be county rule? Why not just neighborhood by neighborhood?

You place the locus of control according to the problems you need to solve. Neighborhoods combine to cities combine to counties combine to states combine to countries in order to be competitive and thrive against the broader environment. Yes, it does typically entail a loss of autonomy, but the benefit is that your little independent enclave doesn't get taken over by the next-strongest neighbor.

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3. sickofparadox ◴[] No.41859940[source]
Why vote at all? You don't care about the consent of the governed, we should just make you chairman of the federal government and have your enlightened rule bring us to a new era of prosperity!
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4. llamaimperative ◴[] No.41859959{3}[source]
When did I say I don't care about the consent of the governed? You can elect a legislature that eliminates the FTC or an executive who neuters it.

It seems like you don't understand how checks and balances work in our system.

5. jodrellblank ◴[] No.41860096[source]
I'm downvoting this comment chain because you're just throwing low effort critiques without addressing any of the big points. 1) why is tens of millions of people in a state enforcing the will of the majority on the others fine but hundreds of millions of people in the country enforcing the will of the majority on others "not caring about the consent of the governed" and "the reason democracies fail"? 2) why is it okay that people should have to vote on whether others can prey on them, exploit and abuse them? How is this one of the things you think is really important to speak out about?

In the context of this concrete discussion, allowing customers to cancel contracts they don't want - that's something which you object to because you want companies to be allowed to keep taking your money against your will, because consent matters to you? That is obviously self-inconsistent.

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6. sickofparadox ◴[] No.41860195[source]
>why is tens of millions of people in a state enforcing the will of the majority on the others fine but hundreds of millions of people in the country enforcing the will of the majority on others "not caring about the consent of the governed" and "the reason democracies fail"?-

Because we aren't a unitary democracy, we are a federal republic that was built upon the idea of a limited federal government designed to address pressing national issues, with "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." The will of the people state should almost always be superior to the will of the federal government. There needs to be an exceedingly pressing and relevant reason that any law, let alone one made by unelected bureaucrats, should overrule any of a state's laws. There is no exceedingly pressing reason the federal government should be involving itself in the process of canceling an auto renewing contract.

>"why is it okay that people should have to vote on whether others can prey on them, exploit and abuse them"

A company making it slightly annoying to leave an agreement with them is not being preyed on, exploited, or abused. That kind of language to describe "sitting on the phone longer than I want to cancel my paper subscription" or similar is bordering on histrionic.

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7. unethical_ban ◴[] No.41864999{3}[source]
>There needs to be an exceedingly pressing and relevant reason that any law, let alone one made by unelected bureaucrats, should overrule any of a state's laws.

Are you saying this because you believe it, or because the Constitution says so?

I think rote but beneficial consumer protections in the digital age is something that fits well at a national level. We don't need a 50-state laboratory on how to handle SiriusXM.

Oh, and making it artificially difficult for laypeople to get out of subscription contracts is absolutely predatory.