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1. DrillShopper ◴[] No.41859266[source]
I guess the flip side of this is that you look like a fucking dork.
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2. Mistletoe ◴[] No.41859492[source]
The main impediment I would experience to wearing this on a plane.
3. atestu ◴[] No.41859551[source]
I think that will fade. I don't know if you remember how mocked the airpods were when they first came out ("They look like q-tips"). All it'll take is a few celebrities spotted using one and they'll turn cool in no time.
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4. pmarreck ◴[] No.41859628[source]
I was a high school computer nerd in the 80's. They all said that about me then too, and I didn't care.

But to your point, it will probably get slicker over time. For this one, they erred on the side of high fidelity, and they nailed it pretty well.

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5. DrillShopper ◴[] No.41859664[source]
Oh, I have no doubt that it will get better over time, but I think people forget that part of the early adopter tax is often that you look like a fucking dork. Which in my mind isn't a bad thing - it shows that you're committed to making it work. There's something noble about that, wouldn't you say?
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6. tesch1 ◴[] No.41859685[source]
Also be sure not to let anyone see you browsing HN.
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7. usui ◴[] No.41859759{3}[source]
Upvote for doubling down on the "look like a fucking dork" phrase. I wasn't sure at first if this was self-deprecating humor, but now I am. Neeeeeerd!
8. pmarreck ◴[] No.41859894{3}[source]
"early adopter tax"- love that, may have to borrow it

And you're right! And some of us will happily pay that! It is the _bleeding_ edge, after all.

9. isodev ◴[] No.41860408[source]
Yup, the person wearing one literally gets the “drives a cybertruck” spotlight.
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11. mft_ ◴[] No.41861491[source]
You're not wrong, but I think there's at least a couple of orders of magnitude of awkwardness between the Airpods and the the Vision Pro that will have to be overcome, before the VP becomes mainstream.
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12. asdff ◴[] No.41861936[source]
airpods at least had the equivocal wired headphones normalizing that look for a decade before they appeared.
13. accrual ◴[] No.41862266[source]
It's possible for those concerned with this to overcome it! Most people are way more focused on themselves than whatever a random person is wearing in public, and will likely forget the encounter the second they set foot off the plane.
14. accrual ◴[] No.41862285[source]
At least the AVP seems like a reasonably engineered piece of equipment. The cybertruck has a seemingly unending list of flaws documented in /r/cyberstuck.
15. Terretta ◴[] No.41862372{3}[source]
Imagine the first person wearing bell bottom jeans. Some folks just DGAF, and next thing you know ...
16. ks2048 ◴[] No.41862403[source]
I don't think it will pass, but I think subsequent versions will be slimmer and less mock-prone. In 10 years people will look back at the first version the way people look back at the first bulky cell phones.
17. nine_k ◴[] No.41862413{3}[source]
There were times when going to an office wearing a T-shirt felt crazy, like going to an office while wearing a bikini, or wearing a clown attire, would be now. It changed maybe in late 1990s.

Things like these change very slowly, then suddenly, once the views of the perceived majority around most people change enough that the people start to see the new state as proper and confirmant, a new norm.

18. righthand ◴[] No.41862733[source]
Airpods aren’t cool though, the majority don’t wear them nor can they afford them.
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19. samatman ◴[] No.41863069{3}[source]
You appear to be a bit unclear on what cool means.
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20. hbn ◴[] No.41863403[source]
To their credit, Apple users save a lot of money by living rent-free in your head.

99% of Apple users are not thinking about how much better they are than other people for buying the phone or computer they did. They just bought it because it's the obvious choice and they've had good experiences with it in the past.

Every time an anti-Apple zealout busts out the spec sheets to prove why alternatives are so much better, there's about 8000 gotchas and usability issues that aren't worth the tradeoff for most people. You're free to not think the tradeoffs of Apple devices are worth it for you, but for everyone else (most people) they make the best option that puts up the minimal amount of fighting and a handful of workflows that you simply can't recreate in other ecosystems without dozens of asterisks.

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21. valval ◴[] No.41863415[source]
It’s funny because I was you for 25 years. I then got an iPhone and an M1 MacBook and never looked back. The Apple ecosystem doesn’t have competition, and products are very high quality.

Then again, Apple is one of the most valuable companies in the world. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to conclude that they’re offering something valuable.

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22. righthand ◴[] No.41864013{4}[source]
Are you sure you’re not conflating cool with elitism?
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23. elevatedastalt ◴[] No.41864026[source]
And yet the Cybertruck was the 3rd highest selling Electric vehicle in the US this year.
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24. DrillShopper ◴[] No.41864074{4}[source]
https://youtu.be/0la5DBtOVNI

Relatedly, if other companies make better, less expensive products then why don't consumers buy them?

The customer is always right in matters of taste. Just because you don't like the taste doesn't mean they're wrong about their own situation.

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25. righthand ◴[] No.41864078{3}[source]
Every time an Apple zealot busts out counter points to prove their purchasing choice is better there’s about 8000 gotchas of what Apple won’t let you do on their device that aren’t worth the trade off for most people. You’re free to think the tradeoffs of non-Apple devices aren’t worth it for you, but for everyone else (most people since most people don’t own an Apple device) they make the best option that puts up minimal amount of fighting to customize your device and use it how you like without restriction. A handful of workflows that you simply can’t get in the Apple ecosystems without dozens of Apple zealots telling you’re wrong for choosing something else and bragging that their choice is somehow superior.
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26. righthand ◴[] No.41864155{5}[source]
They do…is that belief that people don’t buy other products that aren’t overpriced a part of the cult beliefs? Do you have a passive aggressive youtube video for that idea that allows you to passively be a dick about the products you don’t buy?

No it doesn’t mean they are wrong, just closed minded.

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27. sterlind ◴[] No.41864236[source]
HN isn't well-known outside deep tech circles. anyone who clocks you reading it probably reads it too.
28. ryandrake ◴[] No.41864332{4}[source]
Many people simply like one product, and many other people like another product. Almost nobody is a "fan" or a "zealot."
29. kibwen ◴[] No.41864375{4}[source]
Air pods are about as cool-looking as a hearing aid. At best, they're utilitarian.
30. TillE ◴[] No.41864531{5}[source]
Zillions of people are out there wearing cheap AirPod knockoffs too.

I don't think any ear buds are "cool", but certainly nobody cares, it's perfectly normal.

31. gamblor956 ◴[] No.41864566{3}[source]
99% of Apple users are not thinking about how much better they are than other people for buying the phone or computer they did.

You must not spend any time around teenagers. Teenagers absolutely judge people for not having iPhones.

best option that puts up the minimal amount of fighting and a handful of workflows that you simply can't recreate in other ecosystems without dozens of asterisks.

This is backwards.

My mentees (and on the other end of the age scale, my in-laws) are always shocked that I can do something on my Android in seconds that takes them minutes on an iPhone...assuming they can even do it on their iPhones at all.

32. gamblor956 ◴[] No.41864578{3}[source]
Apple is one of the most valuable companies in the world. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to conclude that they’re offering something valuable.

So is Louis Vitton...and a whole host of companies that don't offer anything valuable beyond status-based luxury goods.

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33. albumen ◴[] No.41864669{6}[source]
You're carrying a lot of anger, making reductionist and polarizing arguments that sound like Mac vs PC platform wars from the 90s. I hope you find a more balanced approach to dealing with the world around you.
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34. Klonoar ◴[] No.41864786{4}[source]
So… you’re just giving up entirely on responding to them in a way that doesn’t read like an emotional outburst?
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35. DidYaWipe ◴[] No.41865116[source]
I don't recall the AirPods ever being mocked. Why would they be, after years and years of almost identical-looking earbuds being sported in public?

But long before that we had DoucheTooth (or BlueTool, whichever you prefer) earpieces. Now those were mocked.

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36. doublepg23 ◴[] No.41865372{3}[source]
You can check out Reddit threads around the launch https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/51yazy/this_is_what_...
37. SoftTalker ◴[] No.41866265[source]
AirPods also make you look like a dork.
38. zmmmmm ◴[] No.41866876[source]
Life is way too short to spend it worrying about what other people think about this type of thing. Reality is, they almost never care and are far more concerned about their own problems than whether someone else looks like a dork.
39. mihaaly ◴[] No.41866901[source]
Depending on your circles. In many doing what a celebrity does means squat, or backfires. Better watch our peers.
40. beAbU ◴[] No.41867289{3}[source]
This says more about the average car buyer in the US than anything else to be honest.
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41. Aachen ◴[] No.41867956[source]
So much judgment, but at least that won't change for me then
42. Wytwwww ◴[] No.41868511{4}[source]
> Every time an Apple zealot bust

an (imaginary) Apple zealot?

> of Apple zealots telling you’re wrong for choosing something else and bragging that their choice is somehow superior

Except that hardly ever happens. Unlike the opposite [as we are witnessing in this very thread].

Why are you so obsessed with Apple, though? Seems pretty weird. I mean even weirder than being an actual "Apple zealot"..

43. valval ◴[] No.41873315{4}[source]
You can’t just say that without acknowledging the fact that people find their products valuable enough to purchase.
44. righthand ◴[] No.41882519{7}[source]
Nice, this is the compensating I’m talking about. It must be everyone else is angry right?
45. righthand ◴[] No.41882542{5}[source]
Read it however you want. Take your application of emotion out of it and I’m just responding to them by swapping words.
46. elevatedastalt ◴[] No.41893241{4}[source]
That's not relevant, since the point of discussion is if enough people will buy the thing.

If it makes you look like a dork and yet it's the third most selling EV, you might blame the judgment of the average car buyer of the US (for whom you seem to have contempt), but you can't dispute that the product sold.