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tangent, but: i think reclining your seat in economy class is incredibly selfish. i wish they'd weld them all.

It's always interesting when I see this take because I was raised the opposite way and was really surprised to learn a few years back from articles like [1] that some people consider this an etiquette breach.

From what I can tell there are two populations: those who prefer to recline and those who prefer not to. As long as an entire column of seats belongs to one population you're fine (if everyone wants to recline no one loses space, we all just shift around to a configuration in which everyone is more comfortable). But when you have someone more comfortable staying upright sitting behind a recline-preferenced person, that's where issues arise. It's not clear to me whether it's morally wrong for the front person to recline in that case, given that's basically just preferencing the default of "upright", which is arbitrary.

Nothing here should be read as justifying people who don't pay attention to what's going on behind them and/or recline suddenly/aggressively. It's always something that should be done with a glance behind and a smooth, gentle motion. Maybe also a word to the person sitting behind though again I'm not convinced that's a moral imperative.

[1] https://thepointsguy.com/airline/airplane-seat-reclining-eti...

nice stance to have if everyone around you has the same in a full plane.

as soon as one person starts reclininig, you can die on that hill all alone and i'm reclining faster than you can sigh in disappointment

A little bit of reclining means the difference between my head drooping forward or to either side if I fall asleep (very uncomfortable) or staying in a vertical position with the weight slightly on the back of the head (far more comfortable).

This is really a case of "don't hate the player, hate the game" (be mad at the airlines for packing people in like sardines, don't be mad at the people for trying to take a bit of extra comfort which has been made available to them)

Being in an airplane seat for any amount of time is unpleasant. IMO, getting upset at the person in front reclining the allocated 2 inches to ease some of that discomfort sounds vaguely narcissistic. If you want to get upset, get upset at the airline.

Personally I don't get on a high horse about it and just deal with it, but if the person ahead of me reclines I lose leg room that me reclining does not give back.

Or get mad at yourself for not paying for more space. Airlines are a business, and you chose that particular seat knowing full well ahead of time what the parameters of that purchase were.

Would airlines be able to offer more space for more money? Sure they would. Would people pay for it? The market has already answered!

That's fair if you fail to consider that I am 6'3", my partner and child are much smaller, and I'd essentially be the only one to gain from such an upgrade while having to pay for 3x, unless I wanted to sit separately from them and endure much consternation. lol

i do prefer to recline. i choose not to, even though the airline says that i am entitled to, because i know that reclining has a high likelihood of inconveniencing the person behind me (primarily due to loss of legroom and inability to use a laptop).

(for the record, i don't get mad at people over this and i don't think people should get mad at others for this.)

Same here; except I'll recline after dinner on long-haul flights, because that's the point virtually everyone does, especially when the lights are dimmed. I would never recline on <4 hour flights, and am irked by those who do.

(I wonder if it simply driven by an individualistic vs. collectivist mindset?)