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defrost ◴[] No.41854450[source]
For an interesting side piece:

    Curiously, however, for a system apparently stultified by the dead hand of government, Australia’s health system far outperforms the free market-based US healthcare system, which spends nearly twice as much per capita as Australia to deliver far worse outcomes — including Americans dying five years younger than us.
The shocking truth: Australia has a world-leading health system — because of governments

Source: https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/10/16/pubic-private-healthcar...

Bypass: https://clearthis.page/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.crikey.com.au%2F...

    Overall, we now have the fourth-highest life expectancy in the world.

   This is contrary to the narrative that pervades the media about our health system — one in which our “frontline” health workers heroically battle to overcome government neglect and inadequate spending, while the population is beset by various “epidemics” — obesity, alcohol, illicit drugs.

    In fact, Australian longevity is so remarkable that in August The Economist published a piece simply titled “Why do Australians live so long?”
Other references:

The Economist: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2024/08/23/why-do-a...

AU Gov Report: Advances in measuring healthcare productivity https://www.pc.gov.au/research/completed/measuring-healthcar...

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tightbookkeeper ◴[] No.41855732[source]
demographics in the US are very different than Australia, I suspect those in the bottom 1/3rd of US health drag it down significantly.
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koyote ◴[] No.41855768[source]
I assume you are referring to a larger amount of people living in poverty in the US?

Could this also (partially) be explained by the cost of healthcare? Something like a downwards spiral where average people end up poor either due to direct costs of healthcare or neglecting their own healthcare due to cost?

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tightbookkeeper ◴[] No.41855797[source]
demographic differences of all kinds:

- greater usage of surgeries and prescriptions, leading to greater exposure to medical malpractice (the 3rd leading cause of death in the US.)

- higher birthrate. more pregnancies.

- less cultural tolerance of abortion. Greater willingness to take on risky pregnancies

- single parent homes (people with less family support)

- ethnicities which are more susceptible to certain disease and lifestyle risks

- greater exposure to crime in impoverished areas

- more life time spent traveling in cars

- more restricted access to health insurance (as you said only accessing healthcare in dire emergency)

The US is a different world than most countries which tend to be geographically tight and culturally homogenous. It's very difficult to make comparisons, not to mention differences in data collection and reporting ethics.

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1. biztos ◴[] No.41856199[source]
> medical malpractice (the 3rd leading cause of death in the US.)

Not to downplay the malpractice problem, but this doesn’t sound remotely plausible. Do you have some sources to back up this claim?

I googled around a bit and it appears to come from some sloppy misuse of statistics in a journal one time, plus internet amplification.

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2. tightbookkeeper ◴[] No.41860386[source]
The CDC doesn’t record medical malpractice as a category for cause of death or injury. It’s grouped under “accidents” in their statistics (their official 3rd ranked category).

> The CDC’s published mortality statistics, however, count only the “underlying cause of death,” defined as the condition that led a person to seek treatment.

Because of this political choice the information comes from 3rd parties digging into the accidents category.

https://www.propublica.org/article/study-urges-cdc-to-revise...