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sneed_chucker ◴[] No.41848871[source]
Did we expect it to grow forever?
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1. Brajeshwar ◴[] No.41849084[source]
If not forever, but if 200-ish becomes a norm, it would be super awesome. Now, it is like, “Awesome, I know this, I know that. I need to learn that.” “Hold on, time to die.”
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2. JohnMakin ◴[] No.41849259[source]
I assure you many aspects of a society where 200 years old becomes a normal life expectancy would be a hellscape and not "awesome." We already currently have a massive societal and economic problem with aging populations as things currently are.
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3. geodel ◴[] No.41849315[source]
Come on wouldn't it be great fun with a dozen diseases, broken hip bone, shitting in diapers (if one can afford) people celebrating their 177th birthday. Seems people would sacrifice their first born if such dream life is guaranteed.
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4. Ekaros ◴[] No.41849332[source]
200 at what qualitative life point currently? 80? 90? 100?

Spending an other 100 years like say from 80 to 100... Well you are alive, but still...

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5. potato3732842 ◴[] No.41850512[source]
The macroeconomic implications of that large a fraction of the population being above working age or such a large fraction of one's life not being working years are not exactly great.
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6. asoneth ◴[] No.41851422[source]
My grandfather lived to 104. More impressive was that he still played tennis regularly in his 90s.

It's not his lifespan I aspire to, but his healthspan.

7. ben_w ◴[] No.41852527[source]
Apart from the fact that "working age" doesn't mean the same thing in a world that has anti-aging interventions?

Our economic system is incompatible with the next 200 years irregardless of what specifically gets invented.

At 5%/year, that's a factor (not percentage) of 17292 growth; in energy terms that's not quite boiling the oceans, but it is making the poles the only barely livable zone.

In any sense besides energy, this kind of growth implies automation that makes the meaning of work radically different than today. Human or superhuman AI would be an example of that, but the successful creation of that has other complications that we can currently only guess at with less awareness than the Victorians had of climate change or biodiversity loss.

8. ben_w ◴[] No.41852559[source]
The problems are due to what aging involves and the lack of young people inverting the population pyramid; getting us to 200 at all means solving every age-related biological problem, while also meaning we have longer to start a family and have kids to stabilise that population pyramid.
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9. JohnMakin ◴[] No.41852722{3}[source]
Lol ok so imagine your dream scenario is everyone, magically and with equality, is able to live and reproduce to absurdly long time frames - that’s also a hellscape in so many easily imaginable ways. you’ll start to see jobs requiring 100+ years experience or with the right genetic modifications to make you insurable enough to invest a 60 year career into. Since this is all science fiction, we can imagine all sorts of things as we understand this is fiction. My only real point is this isn’t a utopian future. we can’t deal with the amount of humans we already have at the ages they live to. I don’t see what solving aging does to solve any of these problems.
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10. derektank ◴[] No.41852973{3}[source]
Physical exercise is the most potent life extension intervention we have. So it's very unlikely we'll get anyone to 200 if they're stuck in bed with a broken hip.
11. JohnPrine ◴[] No.41853250{4}[source]
you'd rather everyone die than to see experience requirements for certain jobs go up?
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12. hackable_sand ◴[] No.41853967{5}[source]
What a rude comment.

Everyone already dies.

13. throaway2112 ◴[] No.41854054{4}[source]
Kind of ironic that your "hellscape" is created by an increased difficulty to get a job.
14. ben_w ◴[] No.41856104{4}[source]
> Since this is all science fiction

Everything is, before it gets invented. 200 years ago, radio, cars, skyscrapers, anaesthesia, transplants, space travel, plastics, and bioprinting were all scifi. Aluminium was almost exactly 200 years ago.

Voice-to-voice translation and cheap synthetic gem quality diamonds were too, even when I was a kid.

I'm not saying any of this will be easy — from what I've heard, it's sufficiently hard that one would need to do a PhD in the subject just to really understand how hard and I've not done that — but you are made of atoms, and the atoms in your body can be rearranged into a younger form.

That the only mechanism to do so today is called "cannibalism" is an (enormous and repugnant!) implementation detail, even though it's also an existence-proof of the possibility of such a re-arrangement.

Do you know what's not science fiction? People are already experimenting with genetically modifying themselves, because of things as simple as "they don't enjoy lactose intolerance".

> I don’t see what solving aging does to solve any of these problems.

Then you don't understand the actual problems.

Most of the costs we have today from an aging population are that old people are physically weak, get sick a lot, have many expensive complications, and 30 years ago they collectively didn't have enough kids for the next generation to be able to afford to look after them so well.

When you write:

> we can’t deal with the amount of humans we already have at the ages they live to

That's because (1) it's their kids (us) doing the "dealing with", and they didn't have so many; and (2) our natural aging process is awful.

Anti-aging's biggest promise is that it makes age-related degeneration much easier to manage.

(And all that's assuming "you’ll start to see jobs requiring 100+ years experience" isn't obviated by AI).