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Scale Ruins Everything

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adamc ◴[] No.41842310[source]
One of the questions all this raises for me is: what fraction of successful startups actually make society better?

I'm sure to get pushback here, but my suspicion is: most do not. Looking at companies like Facebook, Amazon, or Google, I'm kind of think they made it worse. Yeah, I know, some people benefited. But net-net, I preferred having more and better bookstores to Amazon. I don't like what google has become at all. And Facebook has never been good.

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1. tremarley ◴[] No.41848203[source]
Google helps us lookup anything we want

Amazon helps us buy anything we want

Facebook helps us keep in touch with all of our friends easily

Their not as good a they used to be but how are they not good?

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2. coldpie ◴[] No.41848491[source]
Google & Facebook push the advertising/attention economy business model, which rewards spreading misinformation & extreme viewpoints, leading to the rise in conspiracy theories and breakdown in discourse & trust in public institutions we see today. Amazon has killed a lot of local retail, removing OK jobs and replacing them with low-paying/low-skill warehouse labor.

I think there's arguments for both sides, but personally I land on the net-evil side for all 3 of the listed companies.

3. kibwen ◴[] No.41848715[source]
Google provided a useful lookup service at the expense of brainwashing society with consumerist propaganda and the complete destruction of personal privacy and the normalization of the surveillance state. It wasn't worth it.

Amazon inspired us to think we needed more cheap crap in order to inspire us to buy cheap crap that we didn't need. We aren't any happier than we were before we had the ability to buy cheap crap on a whim, but we sure do have a lot more cheap crap than before. That wasn't worth it.

Facebook is essentially as good at helping people keep in touch as any instant messenger that preceded it. But unlike those instant messengers, it's supported by invasive targeted ads, and consult the first paragraph for why this is a negative.

This has all been a waste. Society isn't any better as a result of these companies existing.

4. _DeadFred_ ◴[] No.41854081[source]
Google built a profit model on the original organic internet while facilitating that web's replacement with today's wonderful SEOable 'content'.