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rdtsc ◴[] No.41842547[source]
> "Financial aspects of dental radiography also deserve further study," Feit added

No joke. That is a major money maker. There is minimal cost per-use and your insurance pays $200 for it (my last one was $186.00 for instance). The dentists would be crazy not to recommend them as of often as possible.

Fluoride "rinses" are likely up there too. Rinse for a few seconds and they charge the insurance $50 or something for it.

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ninalanyon ◴[] No.41845904[source]
Those prices are absurd. My whole annual check up including a digital X-ray, visual inspection, tartar removal, polishing, costs less than that.

And that is in high cost Norway.

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1. throwaway2037 ◴[] No.41846093[source]
How much did it cost?

If _much_ lower than 200 USD per visit in a very wealthy country, then I assume:

(a) dentists don't make very much money. Less than 100K USD?

(b) most of the work is done by poorly paid dental assistants (20 USD per hour or less).

Running a high quality dental clinic is expensive, both for equipment and staff. How can it be so cheap in Norway?

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2. nlnn ◴[] No.41846296[source]
It's pretty similar in the UK for private dentistry, x-rays ~£10-30, hygienist/scale/polish ~£50-120, filling ~£70-150, root canal/extraction ~£120-300.

Dentist salaries seem to range between £70-200k depending on experience, specialty, etc.

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3. arethuza ◴[] No.41846442[source]
Bone graft and implant for a single tooth can be up to £9K...
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4. nlnn ◴[] No.41846513{3}[source]
For sure, stuff like implants, cosmetic dentistry, braces, crowns etc. still cost a non-trivial amount (though hopefully most are once in a lifetime things).
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5. matsemann ◴[] No.41846533[source]
I'd say they're in the upper percentiles here in Norway when it comes to making money. Especially if they're having a small privat clinic instead of "renting a chair". So maybe not too much when converted USD, but they're often well off here.

I've had the dentist themselves always do most of the work. The assistant is often shared between multiple dentists in the same office in my experience.

6. lol768 ◴[] No.41846641[source]
Quite happy paying £26.80 / £73.50 for all of that.

It's in a country's interests to help maintain the public's health, and that includes subsidising their dental costs (otherwise, they end up taking up primary care time instead).

7. ricardobayes ◴[] No.41847218[source]
Very similar prices in Spain too, funny how the UK is generally considered _very_ expensive for dental work, in fact I just paid 40 EUR for an x-ray here yesterday.
8. arethuza ◴[] No.41847366{4}[source]
Yeah - I had a dental bone graft a few months back and I certainly hope its a once in a lifetime thing!

NB No criticism of the dentist that did it - took two dentists and an assistant nearly 5 hours and they have an impressive amount of kit...

9. ninalanyon ◴[] No.41847442[source]
Higher education in Norway is free so a dentist starts with much less debt to pay off. Also the income range in general is much narrower here. Mean income for dentists is about 900 kNOK/yr, about 90 kUSD.

I suspect that it's also a question of market forces. A dentist that charged much more for an annual check would simply lose that business as there are plenty of dentists here. And quite likely they would lose any follow up work as well.

The profit margin on treatment is much higher but even that seems cheaper than what some of my US friends say they pay (or their insurance pays). Here's the price list for my dentist. In Norwegian but Google Translate does a good job:

http://www.drammen-tannlegesenter.no/om-oss-priser/priser

They do some cosmetic work as well, I imagine that the profit margins are higher for that.

I have two crowns, both created by an automated process of 3D photography and CNC machine in the clinic (Cerec). The most recent one went like this: I made an appointment to see my dentist at about 8:30 one morning complaining of toothache, she discovered that an old amalgam filling had cracked and taken part of the tooth with it and that the only practical repair was a crown. She then apologised profusely that she didn't have time to do it there and then but could I come back at 13:00 that afternoon? I said yes and by 13:30 the crown had been manufactured, fitted, ground down to an exact fit and I was leaving. The crown was a bit over 5 kNOK altogether, about 500 USD, for half an hour's work. The price has gone up a little since.

None of the work I have done, including the annual check-up, is done by a dental assistant, poorly paid or otherwise. I think that this might be because of the high cost of employing anyone in Norway.

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10. robocat ◴[] No.41847679[source]
My dentist in New Zealand is about USD200 every six months for the gold plated option. The x-ray is free. Dentists are relatively well paid in New Zealand. Looks like helping hygienist gets USD25-USD30 per hour. Minimum wage in NZ is about USD14/hr for unskilled labour or poorly paying food service jobs.

My friend is getting an implant and the total cost is about USD8000. The government is covering most of it because it was an accident (sporting).

11. magicalhippo ◴[] No.41848946[source]
> Also the income range in general is much narrower here. Mean income for dentists is about 900 kNOK/yr, about 90 kUSD.

To put that into perspective, that's roughly the average income for a developer as well here in Norway.

12. ninalanyon ◴[] No.41849801{4}[source]
A Cerec crown created on a CNC machine with the aid of 3D imaging costs about 500 GBP at my dentist in Norway including the work.