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consumer451 ◴[] No.41843901[source]
What does everyone think about 1X's NEO? [0] They began from the idea of compliant robotics,[1] which seems to me to be a requirement for safe operation in proximity to humans.

Did Tesla make attendees sign a hefty liability waiver, since Optimus is not a compliant robot, or did they address the inherent problems some other way?

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUrLuUxv9gE (also remote controlled for now, while being trained)

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb6LMPXRdVc

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_robotics

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modeless ◴[] No.41844035[source]
Each robot had several human escorts, and the robots were limited to slow walking and a few slow hand gestures. The only danger would be if one fell over.

1x NEO looks awesome and far more advanced than this version of Optimus. I'm bullish on 1x. Tesla has a manufacturing advantage though. There were 50 units of Optimus at the event and I expect that there are only a few fully working units of NEO made so far. Also, Optimus has been improving quickly. It's possible Tesla could catch up in a few generations.

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beeflet ◴[] No.41844296[source]
>Each robot had several human escorts, and the robots were limited to slow walking and a few slow hand gestures.

More importantly, the robots were limited to doing no real work. They just feebly pick up objects and place them somewhere else, which I am pretty sure doesn't require AI.

For example, the vid shows the robot pouring hot water into a glass with a massive funnel strapped to it. Why not have the robot fill the kettle, place the teabag itself, etc? It seems like the kind of thing that should be developed before walking and talking and telling jokes.

What if the refrigerator, microwave, etc. could interface directly with the robot. For example, the refrigerator has some type of robotized shelf that is able to bring a rack of orange juice to the front before the robot comes over to grab it? What if the microwave is able to focus the microwave beam on the food to cook it evenly?

It also irks me how the robots are just humanoids. Like for example, why have a head with two eyes. Does it need to wear a helmet? Does it need exactly 2 eyes at exactly human-like placement to achieve stereopsis? Why not have 3 eyes? Did the designers think about the form of the machine at all, or did they just produce robots in the form that is associated with the most hype and thus will bring in the most investor capital? Is this really the ideal form for interfacing with humans? With other robots?

I am just very skeptical of these companies that want to go from zero to doing everything. By the time they accomplish a robot that can do "everything", who is to say that they will even be able to privatize it? The "everything robot" might just be built out of general-purpose components and software at that point. Why not just make a machine that does a limited set of tasks well and then build from there?

Sorry https://blog.comma.ai/a-100x-investment-part-2/ has me coping and seething at the AI space

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1. FactKnower69 ◴[] No.41845432[source]
>It also irks me how the robots are just humanoids. Like for example, why have a head with two eyes.

the risk-averse, cowardly, snivelling product design is really one of the most odious things about the whole Tesla shitshow. they had the opportunity to completely redesign the automobile from scratch, but chose to meekly clone the exact same bog standard sedan design everyone else converged on 50 years ago, clinging to some form response about safety despite the front of a Tesla crumpling like paper in any collision anyway

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2. piva00 ◴[] No.41846108[source]
Though they can't move away too much from the teardrop design, it's one of the most aerodynamic shapes (and why so many production cars look like a decorated teardrop). Still agree they could have been bolder with other parts of the silhouette, it's unimaginative "futurism" coupled with some strange need to be branded Apple-esque.