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taeric ◴[] No.41841233[source]
Can't get past the intro sentence without getting triggered. No, most people cannot fix a bike. As evidenced by the horrid shape most bikes are in. Heaven help folks that get the brakes so that they need to replace pads. You are as often to see people that ruined rims as you are to see people that did that correctly.

Don't get me wrong, there is something there. Everyone can be trained to fix older mechanical things. This is true. And I, for the life of me, cannot understand why people get bikes that need apps to run. That is just baffling.

So, change this to "ebikes are not being designed with repairability in mind" and I think I lose near all of my complaint. I do have worries about people not realizing how powerful ebikes are. Reminds me of early dirt motorcycles you could work on back in the day. Didn't take too many kids getting hurt before people took those seriously, I don't think. Odd to see us go right back down that path all because a lot of parents assume the battery tech is the same as it was a decade or so ago.

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ThrowawayTestr ◴[] No.41841479[source]
Unlike car maintenance bike maintenance is way more accessible. You need like one or two specialized tools to cover the majority of the work you'll do on your bike compared to a car. People are just lazy.
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sidewndr46 ◴[] No.41841729[source]
Exactly what specialized tools do you need to work on a car? Are you counting closed end wrenches and sockets as "specialized" or something?
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Ichthypresbyter ◴[] No.41842039[source]
While it is technically a socket, an oil filter wrench is reasonably specialized in that you won't see it in a standard socket set. Same may be true of a spark plug socket depending on your car.

Otherwise, doing routine/basic maintenance on a car, such as changing the oil, requires a means of getting under the car (ramps or jack and stands) and of handling large amounts of fluids (drain pan and funnel) neither of which you need to do the equivalent work on a bike.

A torque wrench is much more important for car maintenance than for bike maintenance (and you'll need a bigger one!). Depending on the condition of your car you may want a breaker bar.

Obviously doing anything with the suspension requires a spring compressor, and troubleshooting certain engine problems requires a compression tester, but those are needed infrequently enough that they can be rented or borrowed.

And that's before getting into the model-specific specialized tools for something like a timing belt change, or anything electronic (though I recommend anyone with a car should get a cheap Bluetooth OBDII reader).

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sidewndr46 ◴[] No.41842853[source]
You have a pretty odd definition of "specialized". A jack is a jack. Yes, I use a big one for my truck since it weighs many thousands of pounds. I use the same jack to lift small cars and anything else I want, within reason.

A torque wrench is a specialized tool...for torquing a fastener. I use the torque wrench to torque fasteners on my truck, my motorcycle, some random piece of equipment I want to repair, etc.

I have seal drivers for driving seals on my motorcycle. I also can use them on hydraulic cylinders, or any other random seal I want to drive in.

The only truly specialized piece of auto repair tooling I have is a tool that is cast and machined specifically to fit inside the engine head to remove a portion of the valvetrain for maintenance. It's a very boring once you understand how it works, but I'm not using it for anything else.

As for a spring compressor, I've been doing suspension work for about a decade now and used one zero times. You just don't need it for routine maintenance. I guess if a spring breaks, you would need it in some weird circumstance possibly.

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ThrowawayTestr ◴[] No.41843648[source]
I would consider jacks, seal drivers and oil filter wrenches specialized tools. The only specialized tool you need for a bike is a spoke wrench.
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pandaman ◴[] No.41843945{3}[source]
> The only specialized tool you need for a bike is a spoke wrench.

And a chain whip, and a lockring bit for brakes/cassette, and another bit for the bottom bracket, and some pin spanners maybe, a derailer alignment gauge, maybe crank puller, tire levers, chain breaker, and master link pliers. Hydraulic brakes? Bleed kit, piston press. Pneumatic suspension? Shock pump. Tubeless? Better get a syringe to refill sealant through valves (and don't forget the valve core wrench) or reset your tires every time you need new sealant.

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1. ThrowawayTestr ◴[] No.41845159{4}[source]
Does the average person really need all that? An Allen key set and socket wrench kit will get you pretty far.
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2. pandaman ◴[] No.41847502[source]
You do need all that if you want to perform maintenance on a bike. I assure you that the average person won't be able to replace a cassette, which is a wear item, with an Allen wrench and a socket wrench. Or replace disk brakes, or a chain ring, which are also wear items. I imagine you can use an Allen bit as a lever when you need to access tubes or replace tires (wear items both), but it does have high probability of damaging your rims, which, again will need lockring bits and a chain whip to replace, at least on the rear wheel. Chain is another wear item, I figure you can just hammer out pins with a thin Allen key to cut a new chain and use the same technique to remove the old one but your hammering technique should be very precise to retain the pin, you cannot put them back in once you hammered them out too far, not even with a socket wrench.