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crazygringo ◴[] No.41841006[source]
There's definitely a huge variance in blood pressure readings depending on posture, relaxation, arm position, recent activity, etc. If you buy a blood pressure monitor, it's really interesting to see how "random" a single reading at the doctors' is, and how large your fluctuation throughout the day is.

That being said, it really makes me wonder about studies that correlate blood pressure with other things. Is the blood pressure really being measured "correctly" in all those studies? Or not?

In other words, if your "true correct" blood pressure is lower than what the doctor normally takes, but then a lot of the studies are based on real-life "incorrect" higher blood pressures, then don't you similarly want an "incorrect" higher reading for consistency? Or are the studies always really done with far more accurate blood pressure readings, where the patient sits still for 5 min beforehand, keeps their legs uncrossed, is totally free of stress and anxiety, didn't exercise beforehand, etc.?

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gklitz ◴[] No.41841065[source]
> Is the blood pressure really being measured "correctly" in all those studies? Or not?

This is why you do readings three different times a day for several days. And why there’s instructions on how long to dust still before the readings, why you do three repeats with multiple minutes of wait in between, and finally why the averages of those readings aren’t just simple averages. But yes you always have to wonder about every study using self reported home readings if they follow the instructions or not, because it is tedious to do it correctly.

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moffkalast ◴[] No.41841201[source]
The reading process itself is a constant that you can't filter out by doing it repeatedly. Something squeezing your arm with what feels like the force of a hydraulic press surely doesn't have any weird side effects.

Anecdata, but I always get high anxiety from not being sure if the thing is actually still working properly or if it's just gonna keep pumping itself up until it explodes in my face or something. Not exactly rational but these sort of things never are. Looney toons ass machine.

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giantg2 ◴[] No.41841315[source]
"Something squeezing your arm with what feels like the force of a hydraulic press"

It shouldn't feel that crushing. I know it's common, but it shouldn't be. It's lazy/rushed healthcare professionals who only want to take it one time suing an automated machine and crank it to 200mm. If you actually put it at 140mm or take it with a manual sphig, it would read a "normal" person just fine without the crushing. The problem is, the people who are high around 130-140 need the machine at least 20mm higher and would need a retake, which means more time.

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SilasX ◴[] No.41841535[source]
I have an automatic at-home blood pressure device, and it does the same thing. Not 200 mmHg, but high enough that I’d freak out if I didn’t know it was normal and would let up soon enough[1]. Did the product designers do that intentionally while still meeting a spec of “not panicking the user in a way that would elevate blood pressure” and getting approved for sale to non-professionals?

It seems like this is genuinely hard to work around in practice.

[1] I recall it being a staple of 80/90s tv, at least Beavis and Butthead, to have a character use an auto blood pressure device and freak out at being so clamped.

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HPsquared ◴[] No.41842044{4}[source]
There might be a repeatability thing. Always give the full pressure then at least it's one less variable to account for.
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epcoa ◴[] No.41842184{5}[source]
Nah. Modern automatic cuffs are adaptive. They tend to first run up pretty low (like 150), see if there is signal. If not then they have to inflate more and more. They tend to determine where to start next time based on the last reading, so if it had the go up to 200 for the last reading it’ll start there next time. If the cuff is a vise, excluding operator error the most likely cause is actually having high blood pressure.
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1. bradknowles ◴[] No.41844609{6}[source]
There is another factor that everyone is ignoring here. Some people are just much more sensitive to that kind of pain. If you Lymphadema, or especially Lipodemia, you are much more likely to experience a lot of pain even when a manual sphygmomanometer is being used.

The Omron BP7000 doesn’t hurt me that much, and I measure mine every morning and every evening. But it does hurt my wife, and she has both conditions.