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1. throwbmw ◴[] No.41844275[source]
People shouldn't worry about accuracy too much. Everybody in healthcare knows about the problems in various measurement methods as well as individual responses to measurement anxiety and the physical and emotional state you are in that particular time. The only accurate measurements are direct measurements through an arterial catheter which is a very invasive procedure. Routine clinic measurements are used only to have a general idea about trend and secondly to catch severely high BP which is usually due to a secondary disease. Also, if BP is high above a certain limit it is significant regardless of if you took rest for 5 minutes and other precautions. Because if BP is high the normal BP regulating system should kick in and lower it regardless of the cause. With advancing age and hardened arteries this response becomes less optimal and you need the support of anti hypertensive medicines. You can see this in real time in patients under anesthesia. A young healthy patient would have an initial peak in response to pain or other surgical stimulus but they will be able to lower it either spontaneously or with minimal outside intervention. Whereas in older individuals much more effort is required to control and lower the BP. The general trend has been to treat both hypertension and diabetes early because the microvascular complications start much earlier before they become apparent clinically.
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2. scotty79 ◴[] No.41846223[source]
Does the body of a patient under anesthesia react to (unfelt?) pain by raising blood pressure?
3. xpe ◴[] No.41848073[source]
No, “everybody” in healthcare does not know this. I have learned to be skeptical and not to assume any particular level of statistical competence in the healthcare field.
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4. xpe ◴[] No.41848116[source]
> The only accurate measurements are direct measurements through an arterial catheter which is a very invasive procedure.

No. Accuracy isn’t all or nothing.

If one means “most accurate” then just say that.

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5. lo_zamoyski ◴[] No.41848463[source]
Nurses/healthcare professionals often take the patient's blood pressure and heart rate just as soon as they enter the room after walking and moving about. Wait a few minutes and the measurement changes significantly, giving you a better indication of actual heart rate at rest.
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7. Cthulhu_ ◴[] No.41848604[source]
If they don't then the education system (and common sense) has failed them.
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8. nimish ◴[] No.41849009{3}[source]
It's been failing a lot of people for a while then. At this point you can't assume competence.
9. mannyv ◴[] No.41849366[source]
4-7 mm of inaccuracy is irrelevant.
10. Feathercrown ◴[] No.41849386{3}[source]
I went in for a checkup and my doctor actually retested me after a few minutes because the first reading was unnaturally high. Hurrying into the office and the general anxiety of being in a hospital certainly raises it by a bit.
11. UncleOxidant ◴[] No.41850800[source]
Wasn't there a recent article that said it was best to measure blood pressure lying down?
12. xpe ◴[] No.41850976[source]
Meta-analysis here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28750701/

There are also newer techniques, such as resonance sonomanometry: https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/caltech-team-develops-fir...

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14. xpe ◴[] No.41864476{3}[source]
I get the sentiment, but let me add one thing. Understanding statistics well is far from "common sense". In general, to operationalize statistics well, one has to both (a) train your mind quite carefully beforehand, and (2) slow down in the moment to make sure your rational thinking modes have traction.
15. bshacklett ◴[] No.41869248{3}[source]
I’m not sure how common sense factors in, but the education system has absolutely failed most providers that I’ve seen in the last 20 years.