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whyowhy3484939 ◴[] No.41840292[source]
"Suppose you try to construct a coherent, ordered, natural world with no resource other than repeated exposure to things, and the formation of certain associative bonds. Oh, please!"

This is prof. Robinson on Kantian philosophy - check out Oxford podcasts by the way - and this quote is meant to imply that building a coherent world out of raw sensory data and statistics alone is completely and utterly impractical if not outright impossible. While I don't think he meant to refer to any kind of AI, in my mind this description also aptly describes the general method of DL neural networks. Repeated exposure to find correlation.

How does one find order through associativity alone? With AI this is not an academic problem anymore. This has become practical. Kant says it is impossible, not just unlikely.

The Kantian project and the various core issues it tries to address seems readily applicable to AI research yet I see very little mention of it. Perhaps I am just dumb though. Building a mind capable of taming tremendous sensory flux needs to, at the very least, take note of the (many) fundamental issues he raised. Issues I feel are not at all trivial to set aside. I feel we are stuck in Hume's empiricist reasoning and have yet to graduate to Kant and beyond.

Are we now somehow convinced yet again that causality and reasoning will, in fact, after all spontaneously emerge out of pure chaos? Didn't we settle the impossibility of this a few hundred years ago?

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1. baanist ◴[] No.41842278[source]
I doubt you are going to change anyone's mind on this who is already convinced that computers can think and reason and all that's required is the right sequence of numbers. Moreover, the internet is awash with bots and AIs working on behalf of governments to spread political and economic propaganda. HN has moderation to avoid it but the moderators are human so they can't foil all attempts and notice all AIs and bots.