... which is $2k... We already know that almost everyone likes the idea of not being Chinese stuff, but no one is willing to pay 4x premium. The Liberty specs are dismal for a 2k phone; as I said (I think response to you as well); I would pay basically anything for descent modern specs (so s24 or so) but running linux, but not 2k for something that will just annoy me in not being practical besides for a bit of lisp (nothing wrong with that though!!!).