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jaysonelliot ◴[] No.41834180[source]
The idea of paying for services online that most people expect to get for free is great, actually.

There was a time when you simply expected to pay for anything that had value. Whether that was a newspaper, a magazine, a movie, music, or even an online service like AOL or CompuServe, you paid for it and you expected a certain level of quality in return.

In the early days of the Web, it wasn't clear at all that sites could pay their bills with advertising. Then in the mid-'90s, Ethan Zuckerman invented the pop-up ad (he's apologized since) and things progressed - or regressed, if you prefer - and we slid down the long slope to companies selling your data, hyper-targeting ads, and worse.

So many of society's ills right now can be traced to the ad-driven model. It's why clickbait is lucrative, why it's more profitable to run a populist site filled with misinformation than a trustworthy news org, it's how scammers and spammers are incentivized to flood social media sites with slop.

I'd love to see Kagi succeed, and others to follow their lead. I'd much rather spend an extra $20, $30, even $50 a month or more to subscribe to a bunch of ad-free sites that I can trust than to get it all for "free" at the cost of ads, data mining, and scammy clickbait.

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nox101 ◴[] No.41834404[source]
interestingly you paid for a newspaper or a magazine and it was full of ads even if you paid or subscribed. And most people liked it that way. Computer Shopper was way more ads than content and was immensely popular
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1. jaysonelliot ◴[] No.41836846[source]
That speaks to the relative intrusiveness of those ads, and the quality of the ads as well. Newspaper advertising was generally well distributed so that it didn't interfere with reading, and its black and white on paper look wasn't jarring.

Magazine ads, at least in specialized pubs like computer magazines, were actually useful. As a kid, I subscribed to Dragon Magazine because I played D&D, and the ads were half the fun for me.

You'd think that with the hyper-targeting of online ads, that we'd be happy with them, too. But the actual products behind them are usually low quality spam. And we've lost a lot of discoverability from all this targeting. Sometimes it's good to see things that aren't aimed directly at your immediate demographic.