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perching_aix ◴[] No.41831129[source]
Well, at least the title is honest. Straight up asking people to break standards out of sheer conviction is a new one for me personally, but it's definitely one of the attitudes of all time, so maybe it's just me being green.

Can we ask for the typical *nix text editors to disobey the POSIX standard of a text file next, so that I don't need to use hex editing to get trailing newlines off the end of files?

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bityard ◴[] No.41833146[source]
Why would you want that?

All Unix text processing tools assume that every line in a text file ends in a newline. Otherwise, it's not a text file.

There's no such thing as a "trailing newline," there is only a line-terminating newline.

I've yet to hear a convincing argument why the last line should be an exception to that extremely long-standing and well understood convention.

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perching_aix ◴[] No.41833701[source]
> There's no such thing as a "trailing newline," there is only a line-terminating newline.

Is "line-terminating newline" a controlled / established term I'm unfamiliar with or am I right to hold deep contempt against you?

Because "trailing newline", contrary to what you claim, is 100% established terminology (in programming anyways), so I'd most definitely consider it "existing", and I find it actively puzzling that someone wouldn't.

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eqvinox ◴[] No.41835372[source]
A trailing newline to me is "\n\n" at the end of a file, i.e. a superfluous empty line. That doesn't seem to be what the root comment is referring to, though?
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1. perching_aix ◴[] No.41836361[source]
I'm referring to files ending with a \n, and I do not see why this wouldn't be a trailing newline. It's a newline... at the end.
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2. eqvinox ◴[] No.41842084[source]
In my head, a trailing newline is a newline, at the end, on its own, a blank line after the last line in a file… that's a file ending in \n\n (or more).

It hadn't even occurred to me until today that anything else could be meant :o