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matrix2003 ◴[] No.41832921[source]
Someone gave me an analogy some time ago that made a lot of sense.

If you shine a flashlight through a tree blowing in the wind and vary the brightness to convey information, the signal can get distorted pretty easily.

However, if you have a constant brightness source and vary the color, it’s a lot easier to figure out what the source is trying to convey.

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reader9274 ◴[] No.41833031[source]
I always shy away from analogies because more often than not they give the wrong "feel" for a concept. But this is one of those rare exceptions.
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Filligree ◴[] No.41833068[source]
It's not an analogy. This is precisely how it works.
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khazhoux ◴[] No.41833163[source]
Unless your car radio consists of a flashlight and a tree, this is an analogy.
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llm_trw ◴[] No.41833202[source]
The flashlight is the radio tower, the tree is the tree, and the radio in the car is your eyes. There is no analogy here, it is literally the same EM waves shifted up to where our eyes can see them.

It's like saying that the violins is merely an analogy for how a double base works.

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JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.41834177[source]
> it is literally the same EM waves shifted up to where our eyes can see them

Rubber ducks aren't battleships because they both float. Visible light and radio attenutate in meaningfully-different ways. It's an analogy.

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dexwiz ◴[] No.41834476[source]
Rubber ducks and battleships both displace water in the same way.
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1. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.41834499[source]
> Rubber ducks and battleships both displace water in the same way

Yes. Just like light and radio waves are both EM. A rubber duck remains an analogy for the buoyancy of a battleship. Not "literally the same" thing.

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2. aeonik ◴[] No.41837073[source]
But if you say that a battleship floats on the water in a similar way to a rubber duck floating in the water... it's actually not similar... they are the same. It's the same water and the same physics. The "only" appreciable difference is scale.

For me, the people saying they are the literal same thing are the same type of people that gave me that "aha" moment that really helped solidify my understanding of RF.

It was pretty mind blowing when I Understood that AM is a change in brightness and FM was a change in color. We just can't see RF, but if we could, that's what it would be.

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3. swores ◴[] No.41841864[source]
> But if you say that a battleship floats on the water in a similar way to a rubber duck floating in the water... it's actually not similar... they are the same. It's the same water and the same physics. The "only" appreciable difference is scale.

But battleship doesn't equal floating in water, floating in water is a property it has.

If you're saying "the way a battleship floats in water is like how a rubber duck floats in water" then it's not an analogy, it's as you say just describing two versions of the same thing.

But it is an analogy to directly compare the two objects, because "floating on water" is a property of the objects it's not the object you are comparing.

Wikipedia begins its page on analogies with this, sourced from The Oxford Companion to the English Language: "Analogy is a comparison or correspondence between two things (or two groups of things) because of a third element that they are considered to share."

Or Marriam-Webster: "a comparison of two otherwise unlike things based on resemblance of a particular aspect"

Apart from rubber ducks and battleships both having the "third element", or aspect, of "primarily used for floating on water", they are definitely two completely different things. Nobody could look at a rubber duck next to a warship and say "they seem to be the same thing".

The more closely related two things are the more useful and less stretched the analogy available, which is why the analogy about radio waves was so enlightening to so many people in this thread. But it's bang on as the definition of what an analogy is.