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1. aqme28 ◴[] No.41830080[source]
While useful, it's my impression that the storm surge is the most dangerous part of a hurricane, and oysters unfortunately don't do much about that.
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2. soulofmischief ◴[] No.41830536[source]
Do you live in an area that gets hurricanes? I grew up in the gulf and while storm surge can be seriously damaging, it's not the most dangerous part.

I've been through Katrina, Gustav, Isaac and more and witnessed incredible damage from wind, rain and auxiliary tornadoes caused by the storm. I've seen wind pick up massive metal structures right in front of me, ball them up and toss them into the sky until they're just a speck on the horizon. I've woken up to my entire neighborhood missing parts of their roof. I nearly got taken out by a large pine tree. I've seen trees crush cars, boats, houses, you name it. Helene just ravaged several inland states and many are still without power or access to basic resources.

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3. stouset ◴[] No.41830538[source]
In the article they explicitly call out that this is intended to protect against storm surges.
4. WarOnPrivacy ◴[] No.41831156[source]
> Do you live in an area that gets hurricanes?

Yes. I've lived on FL's gulf coast for over 30 years.

> while storm surge can be seriously damaging, it's not the most dangerous part.

Storm surge is the leading cause of deaths from hurricanes. Rain-induced flooding is second.

ref: https://www.weather.gov/wrn/hurricane-hazards

> I've been through Katrina, Gustav, Isaac and more...

I've been thru two in the last three weeks. Past that I'm not sure, dozens certainly. I've also witnessed other impact areas during 3 decades of organized storm relief - most recently yesterday.

> ...and witnessed incredible damage from wind, rain and auxiliary tornadoes caused by the storm...[notes dramatic examples of damage to things]

I'm trying to pin down what you mean by "most dangerous". It doesn't seem tied to number of lives lost or the number of structures damaged. Those are from surge and flooding.

The damage you describe seems like it would be photographic and striking. Is that what you mean my most dangerous?

5. patmorgan23 ◴[] No.41831185[source]
Hurricanes present a triple threat. In no particular order they are 1) Storm surge, 2) insanely high winds, 3) torrential down pour and the resulting flash flooding.

Immediately along the coast the storm surge is probably the most destructive as it's a wall of water that hits and then pulls everything out to sea, but once you get a few hundred feet inland, or some elevation, it's not really a problem.

Hurricane wind speeds are comparable to tornado wind speeds, except the storms are so much bigger. They will throw projectile debris at windows, and then they break the resulting change in pressure will blow out and rip the roof of a home clean off.

Then the incredible amount of rain they generate can create devastating flooding, and this can happen hundreds of miles from the coast(this is what happens in Asheville, North Carolina, and the specific geography made the flooding worse and harder to recover from since Asheville is a mountain valley river town)

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6. WarOnPrivacy ◴[] No.41831493[source]
> but once you get a few hundred feet inland, or some elevation, [surge is] not really a problem.

[more clarification than correction] Along the US gulf coast, surge will travel miles inland thru waterways and drainage basins. When it's over, many places drain right away while some can take weeks.

Depending on the storm, an area can get multiple surges.

> Hurricane wind speeds are comparable to tornado wind speeds, except the storms are so much bigger.

[same] Inland wind risk is closely tied to wind field size and relative position to the eye's direction of travel. We're 30 min inland from the gulf. Every factor about Milton (@36h out) was a factor in our risk calc. With Helene, we didn't have to calc anything. But that weekend, we drove the 30 min to help clean/gut houses on the coast.

And to support your synopsis, I describe cat 4/5 landfalls as x hour tornadoes.

> Then the incredible amount of rain they generate can create devastating flooding, and this can happen hundreds of miles from the coast

In the mid 90s we did relief in Athens Ga (from Alberto I think). Storm remnants parked on the GA/AL border for 2 weeks. Six hundred dams broke and the river thru town became over a mile wide. We were mucking out a church on the top of a hill. A road ran from the church, down the long hill to the river. The road was lined with homes that had been fully submerged for 2 weeks.