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jacknews ◴[] No.41829377[source]
"The wave of investment is minting a new class of millionaires across the country, one that small-business owners say is helping add more shine to working with a tool belt."

How naive. PE does not enter a market in order to make existing workers into millionaires, but to create a monopoly/monopsony where they can gouge both customers and employees, to extract maximum profit. Quite often, the goal is not even to run the market sustainably, but just to produce optical profits for a quick resale.

A few local contractors may get bought out and become millionaires, but everyone else will be impoverished.

We can probably even predict some next steps. They will recommend and lobby for various 'safety' regulations or certifications that would be difficult for smaller shops to meet, and then pressure commercial landlords, housing associations, etc to require those certifications.

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1. bebop ◴[] No.41829574[source]
That has already begun. Saw stop technology is already working it's way into regulations. A decent non saw stop table saw will cost you ~500 USD. A saw stop saw will be 1200.
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2. HarryHirsch ◴[] No.41829826[source]
You can always sell used equipment. There is a thriving market for that.
3. nasmorn ◴[] No.41830100[source]
But an average table saw used professionally probably cuts more than 700 USD of limbs during its lifetime. So that seems very warranted and no, we will just take care very well is not a real substitute. That is what at least 10% of our parents also thought while we were fathered.
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4. linotype ◴[] No.41830122[source]
Seems like a small price to pay to not dismember your employees with accidents.
5. atonse ◴[] No.41831804[source]
When this article first came out, I had a similar reaction, that it seems that regulations that just favor one company doesn't seem all that right.

But I remember in that thread a few had said that as part of this, SawStop will be forced to license their patent to competitors.

Maybe that'll drive up the cost of table saws, but to be honest, people like me (at best, a wannabe weekend woodworker, not a pro) have stayed away from Table saws because of a concern for safety, but things like Sawstop being more ubiquitous might result in people like me buying them, and expanding the market, possibly bringing prices down.

Sure, Sawstop does nothing to prevent the big issue with table saws (kickback) but still, having a riving knife + sawstop probably makes a huge difference in the overall safety of using a table saw, and that seems worth it.

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6. charlie0 ◴[] No.41832440[source]
If my math is right, the cost of even 1 limb greatly exceeds 700USD.
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7. bluGill ◴[] No.41833191[source]
Many of the saw stop patents are expired and the rest near expiration. That is why we see movement now as there is a limit to patent costs.
8. nasmorn ◴[] No.41836418{3}[source]
I do hope not every table saw cuts of a limb. The cost is probably a couple of hundred thousand but it is spread out over many saws
9. ssl-3 ◴[] No.41836550[source]
Professionally, sure: It's easy (and correct, I think) to assume that a saw that gets used every day, piling on hours, will do more than $700 worth of damage to its operators over its lifespan -- on average. Even with misfires being expensive (~$400, IIRC), it's still completely sensible to spend the extra money for professional use.

I'm not a professional, though. I may need a table saw for some projects, but the projects I undertake that require a table saw are few and are far between. My use won't wear out the saw in my lifetime.

Usage of a table saw in my own shop will be at least a couple of orders of magnitude less -- averaging perhaps a few hours per year. Furthermore, without an angry boss-man looming over me to maximize production, I can spend as much time as is necessary to optimize every operation in a safety-first fashion.

If we assume that it is just two orders of magnitude of difference, then: Spending an extra $700 for a sawstop-equipped saw is rather unlikely to ever pay for itself in my shop at home.

(Now, that's not to say that I wouldn't want this kind of safety feature in my own shop. The idea of losing even part of a finger forever is much scarier to me than spending an extra $700 one time: After all, I can make more money but I can't grow new fingers. It's just not such a financially-obvious choice as it is for professionally-used saws.)