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    "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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    552 points freedomben | 17 comments | 11 Oct 24 14:20 UTC | HN request time: 0.719s | source | bottom
    1. neoromantique ◴[11 Oct 24 14:29 UTC] No.41809782[source]▶
    On Mac OS: https://kagi.com/orion/
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    2. codetrotter ◴[11 Oct 24 14:36 UTC] No.41809839[source]▶
    From the Orion FAQ:

    > Is Orion open-source?

    > We’re working on it! We’ve begun with some of our components and intend to open more in the future.

    > Forking WebKit, porting hundreds of APIs and writing a browser app from scratch has been challenging for our small team. Properly maintaining an open-source project takes time and resources we’re short on at the moment, so if you want to contribute at this time, please consider becoming active on orionfeedback.org.

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    3. frizlab ◴[11 Oct 24 14:36 UTC] No.41809841[source]▶
    Orion is amazing.
    4. ◴[11 Oct 24 14:38 UTC] No.41809858[source]▶
    5. vinnymac ◴[11 Oct 24 14:39 UTC] No.41809872[source]▶
    I won’t be touching this binary with a ten foot pole until every line of code is open.

    Many excellent alternatives already exist that are also open and free, I don’t see a compelling argument to use this software on any device at the moment.

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    6. madeofpalk ◴[11 Oct 24 14:57 UTC] No.41810049[source]▶
    Isn't Webkit GPL? How is it not open source?
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    7. codetrotter ◴[11 Oct 24 15:08 UTC] No.41810159{3}[source]▶
    https://webkit.org/licensing-webkit/

    WebKit is part LGPL, and part BSD.

    So I think from purely a licensing point of view, they are probably not in violation. Provided that the way they are linking the LGPL-licensed code is compatible with the LGPL.

    But like the other commenter said, I too would not run any web browser that was not fully open source, like this Orion browser.

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    8. ◴[11 Oct 24 15:10 UTC] No.41810181{3}[source]▶
    9. freedomben ◴[11 Oct 24 15:19 UTC] No.41810261{3}[source]▶
    Just a general rule of thumb that has served me well: If it's GPL, Apple wouldn't be using it. Apple hates the GPL as it is the antithesis of their operating model.
    10. freediver ◴[11 Oct 24 15:22 UTC] No.41810301{3}[source]▶
    Curious why exactly and what is wrong with closed source paid for products? By that token nobody should be touching Safari or iOS/macOS for that matter?
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    11. Etheryte ◴[11 Oct 24 16:04 UTC] No.41810701[source]▶
    I love Kagi, but I wish they focused on their core product first. Search is a hard problem to nail down and there's no shortage of bugs in Kagi right now, their issue tracker is a solid testament to that. When they spread their attention and resources between multiple products, they run the risk of pulling a Mozilla and shooting themselves in the foot multiple times.
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    12. madeofpalk ◴[11 Oct 24 16:54 UTC] No.41811143{4}[source]▶
    If they are forking Webkit, like they say, doesn't that require they distribute the source to their fork? Even if they don't have to distribute the browser linking to it?

    Or do I not understand the obligations of LGPL?

    13. neoromantique ◴[11 Oct 24 17:07 UTC] No.41811269{3}[source]▶
    Fair play, but by that logic you shouldn't touch Mac OS as well, so the whole thing is moot since Mac OS is the only OS that is supported by Orion.
    14. throwaway98346 ◴[11 Oct 24 20:10 UTC] No.41813200{4}[source]▶
    > By that token nobody should be touching Safari or iOS/macOS for that matter?

    Ideally, yes.

    15. daveidol ◴[12 Oct 24 01:36 UTC] No.41815612[source]▶
    Interesting! So it’s basically like Safari but with actual good web extension support (safari’s answer to extensions is terrible)
    16. Spivak ◴[13 Oct 24 05:41 UTC] No.41825474[source]▶
    They do focus on their core product first. I hang out in their discord, it's first priority always. Their other ventures are in service of the search engine— FastGPT powers quick answers, universal summarizer powers the "summarize this link" feature, small web is their go at an index of their own.

    Orion is kind of a stretch I think, but they do see it as being in service of their search product as it's the only way they'll ever be the default search engine anywhere.

    17. mbs159 ◴[14 Oct 24 09:54 UTC] No.41835928{3}[source]▶
    > I won’t be touching this binary with a ten foot pole until every line of code is open.

    You say this while using macOS? lmao