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pabs3 ◴[] No.41643508[source]
BTW: in the EU there is movement towards mandating ISPs allow BYOD, including fibre ONTs.

https://fsfe.org/activities/routers/

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vlabakje90 ◴[] No.41644411[source]
Mandatory in the Netherlands, since last year.
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t0mas88 ◴[] No.41644803[source]
And as a result for example KPN (one of the largest fiber ISPs) has a document to tell you what to connect and with which specs: https://assets.ctfassets.net/zuadwp3l2xby/2Yp0HtLJPKBUX5mqr3...

Some years ago there was only unofficial documentation even on the parts behind the ONT, like which VLAN carries internet and which one is IPTV etc. Now it's all officially documented and you can run your own modem, router and firewall if you want.

I've left their ONT in place and plugged it directly into a Linux box that does the rest. Gives me more flexibility on things like IPv6 and easier to host local services without port forwarding through their modem.

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the_mitsuhiko ◴[] No.41644838[source]
Do you know how this works contract wise? When you get network are you guaranteed that GPON will work or can they refuse service after a certain point in time and force you to upgrade to XGS-PON (or some other standard)?
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marceldegraaf ◴[] No.41644919[source]
The provider can upgrade their network from GPON to XGS-PON; in fact KPN (a large Dutch provider) does this regularly, especially in areas with new housing developments.
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the_mitsuhiko ◴[] No.41644932[source]
> The provider can upgrade their network from GPON to XGS-PON

The provider can transparently run GPON and XGS-PON simultaniously because they run on different wavelengths. However unless the provider can tell all existing GPON customers to replace their infrastructure they cannot stop providing GPON. GPON -> XGS-PON is not an upgrade, it's double the infrastructure where the splitter is.

So my question is quite specifically if there is a contractual way for KPN to turn off GPON and force customers to migrate, or if they are required to service both until the last GPON customer goes away on a splitter.

This has been an issue with DOCSIS for in many places of the world where we are already running out of available frequency spectrum.

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ThePowerOfFuet ◴[] No.41645560[source]
Not more infra at the splitter; they are simple optical devices which use no electricity (hence the P in PON).

More infra at the OLT end, yes.

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1. the_mitsuhiko ◴[] No.41645916[source]
Sorry yes, you are correct.