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pabs3 ◴[] No.41643508[source]
BTW: in the EU there is movement towards mandating ISPs allow BYOD, including fibre ONTs.

https://fsfe.org/activities/routers/

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vlabakje90 ◴[] No.41644411[source]
Mandatory in the Netherlands, since last year.
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t0mas88 ◴[] No.41644803[source]
And as a result for example KPN (one of the largest fiber ISPs) has a document to tell you what to connect and with which specs: https://assets.ctfassets.net/zuadwp3l2xby/2Yp0HtLJPKBUX5mqr3...

Some years ago there was only unofficial documentation even on the parts behind the ONT, like which VLAN carries internet and which one is IPTV etc. Now it's all officially documented and you can run your own modem, router and firewall if you want.

I've left their ONT in place and plugged it directly into a Linux box that does the rest. Gives me more flexibility on things like IPv6 and easier to host local services without port forwarding through their modem.

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the_mitsuhiko ◴[] No.41644838[source]
Do you know how this works contract wise? When you get network are you guaranteed that GPON will work or can they refuse service after a certain point in time and force you to upgrade to XGS-PON (or some other standard)?
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marceldegraaf ◴[] No.41644919[source]
The provider can upgrade their network from GPON to XGS-PON; in fact KPN (a large Dutch provider) does this regularly, especially in areas with new housing developments.
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the_mitsuhiko ◴[] No.41644932[source]
> The provider can upgrade their network from GPON to XGS-PON

The provider can transparently run GPON and XGS-PON simultaniously because they run on different wavelengths. However unless the provider can tell all existing GPON customers to replace their infrastructure they cannot stop providing GPON. GPON -> XGS-PON is not an upgrade, it's double the infrastructure where the splitter is.

So my question is quite specifically if there is a contractual way for KPN to turn off GPON and force customers to migrate, or if they are required to service both until the last GPON customer goes away on a splitter.

This has been an issue with DOCSIS for in many places of the world where we are already running out of available frequency spectrum.

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1. t0mas88 ◴[] No.41644970[source]
Consumer contracts don't guarantee GPON support in any way. So if KPN wants to upgrade they can just send the customer a letter telling them to get an XGS-PON compatible ONT by some date.

They'll probably take a bit more customer friendly approach and at least send you a free provider owned XGS-PON compatible one and a new modem. But for your own equipment you have to manage everything and make sure it complies with their published specifications.

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2. the_mitsuhiko ◴[] No.41644983[source]
That sounds like a somewhat pragmatic approach. Curious to see how that plays out in practice. I presume the total number of consumers that are interested in running their own ONT is limited. In Germany the situation seems a bit different. There customer owned Fritzbox devices with integrated ONTs are very widespread making the situation for an ISP quite different when it comes to upgrades.
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3. kuschku ◴[] No.41657731[source]
Sure, but even with the fritzbox situation all ISPs also offer dedicated ONTs as free rental or for 40€ as purchase. Some, e.g. Telekom, also offer SFP ONTs (Digitalisierungsbox Glasfasermodem)