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Laaas ◴[] No.41409386[source]
They will ban Bluesky too if it gets too popular .
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stevebmark ◴[] No.41410090[source]
AT Protocol aggregators (“relays”) can choose their own content moderation policies. It’s possible that if there are multiple relays, and one of them doesn’t block violent / hate speech, the government would ban that relay and corresponding domain, and others could continue to thrive.
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verdverm ◴[] No.41412077[source]
ATProto actually separates moderation from PDS or App View. Users can choose which labellers they prefer and can even combine them, separate from where they host their data or the UI they choose to use.

https://bsky.social/about/blog/03-12-2024-stackable-moderati...

They do the same for feeds, 4 core components, with user choice and interoperability for each

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jazzyjackson ◴[] No.41412977[source]
So what levers does that give governments seeking to get compliance out of an internet service - if multiple apps are hosting anti-party propaganda the government has to block the domains of each app ?

Or, perhaps the domains of the content itself is blocked so apps continue to work but fail to load content within certain borders ?

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verdverm ◴[] No.41413069[source]
apps don't host data, PDS (personal data servers) do

apps implement views on that data, and may or may not follow the rules, of gov't or users. For example, even though you can block a user, detach a quote post, or hide comments, apps have to implement this behavior, and nothing stops a person from finding that relation.

ATProto is federated, not centralized, and not something gov'ts and regulations have thought thoroughly about. Also, with DID, I believe DNS blocking will be hard because I can change the name and still get to the same content

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jazzyjackson ◴[] No.41413455[source]
> not something gov'ts and regulations have thought thoroughly about

Not trying to be combative but I find this mode of thinking is likely to backfire, governments don't have to think they can just act - has bsky thought seriously about what their response will be to the same laws that X is suffering from?

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verdverm ◴[] No.41413728[source]
Users have choice over moderation, it's not necessarily something Bluesky can limit, by design.

It's also worth seeing how it plays out with others, while you are still not on the radar. Part of the reason Xitter is getting harsher treatment is because Musk antagonized. That's not the best way to negotiate, especially since he said he'd abide by local rules, like how he said he'd be better for free speech.

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AlienRobot ◴[] No.41418035[source]
I'm not sure I understand. Are you trying to say if a judge says "you must stop displaying this content" Bluesky will argue "we can't do that"?

I think Bluesky would get banned.

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verdverm ◴[] No.41418074[source]
Bluesky could implement it in their moderation service, but that does not mean users in Brazil would be impacted by it.

Users could swap moderation service or swap interfaces

The one thing that could happen is the PDS deleting the record for everyone, everywhere

One thing to separate is Bluesky from ATProto. Bluesky is the default implementation of the 4 core pieces, but one could use alternatives for all of them as well and still have their content show up in the bsky app. Imagine if Twitter was open source and federated

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1. jazzyjackson ◴[] No.41432015[source]
If you're providing tools to circumvent government bans you're gonna get banned, the government won't care about your federated moderation layer
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2. verdverm ◴[] No.41436861[source]
If the govt bans a specific app, the people will just use another for accessing the same information.

It's not really tools for circumvention. The Bluesky app is more like Chrome for the ATProto network, the best implementation of a viewer, open source and leading edge. The moderation is less federated, more about user choice, as each labeller is centralized, but there are many of them.