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Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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verdverm ◴[31 Aug 24 23:06 UTC] No.41412716[source]▶
I left Xitter about 6 weeks ago and went all in on Bluesky. Took time to give feedback to the algo, but it's doing much better these days. I don't feel like I'm missing out on much, you'll get the same news & events on Bluesky. A lot of people who were scared of losing their following are reporting more, better engagement with lower follower counts.

What I really like about it is the ATProto, which while imperfect, seems like the best current design for the next gen of social media built on a federated foundation.

- DID for identity

- PDS for data mobility

- algo feed & moderation choice, you can build your own and anyone on Bluesky can use it (https://bsky.social/about/blog/03-12-2024-stackable-moderati...) If you didn't see, they recently added anti-toxicity features and are looking towards community notes

- Bluesky is the twitter like view, but you can build anything on ATProto and leverage the shared infra

I'm personally working on a "reddit" like view of the Bluesky network. Not a reddit clone, but a different way to organize the same information around topics, news events, and/or links. One could also design their own Lexicon and build something very close to reddit. One of the cool things is that all the objects for all apps are stored into a single SQLite database per user. So if you want to move your data to a different host, all of the apps, content, and connections survive that migration.

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1. energy123 ◴[01 Sep 24 05:42 UTC] No.41414610[source]▶
I want a social network like X/BlueSky but it uses a community notes style algorithm to decide what content to show me instead of raw engagement. Should get rid of the trolls as Paul Graham wants to happen.
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2. eterps ◴[01 Sep 24 07:40 UTC] No.41415042[source]▶
Can you expand on your thoughts a bit? Do you envision that a very large amount of posts get reviewed in a community notes style?
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3. energy123 ◴[01 Sep 24 08:46 UTC] No.41415301[source]▶
The algorithm would analyze the post's/user's likes. If a post/user is liked by people who often disagree, then boost the engagement of that post/user. If a post/user is liked by an echo chamber, then deboost it.
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4. tliltocatl ◴[01 Sep 24 09:06 UTC] No.41415383{3}[source]▶
What you describe is a flamewar maintenance algorithm. I mean, it COULD work if all people were sound and reasonable, but that's obviously not the case. And being a flamewar battleground is probably not the goal of most platform owners either. Also, for many topics that are not politics you don't need disagreement for a productive discussion.
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5. energy123 ◴[01 Sep 24 09:30 UTC] No.41415484{4}[source]▶
> I mean, it COULD work if all people were sound and reasonable, but that's obviously not the case.

But community notes works well. That's evidence that reasonableness emerges when you boost content that a diversity of people appreciate, regardless of whether people are sound and reasonable.

> What you describe is a flamewar maintenance algorithm.

Are you saying my idea will increase flamewars? I believe it should decrease flamewars, and that's why I want to see it implemented. Again I point to community notes. If a diversity of people like content, it's probably level-headed, and that's why community notes works so well.

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6. nebula8804 ◴[01 Sep 24 15:59 UTC] No.41417950[source]▶
What happens when Community Notes gets "gamed" like what supposedly happens sometimes on ...Community Notes?

One example can be that there is a mass attempt at pushing some viewpoint, it may not stick long term but it sticks for the duration of time the content is viewed by the most amount of people. Kind of like how upvote bots mess with Reddit.

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7. verdverm ◴[01 Sep 24 16:11 UTC] No.41418039[source]▶
Anyone on the ATProto network can write such an algorithm and use it in the Bluesky app. They even have open source starter code on their github
8. Maken ◴[01 Sep 24 16:30 UTC] No.41418186[source]▶
Couldn't that be built over Mastodon?
9. tliltocatl ◴[01 Sep 24 17:05 UTC] No.41418470{5}[source]▶
Ok, now I get it, I got it wrong. Still questionable, but for other reason: niche content (like, retrocomputing or pet spider care or just about anything that's less agreeable than funny kittens) would never come thru.

Echo chambers aren't intrinsically bad, only when it's about politics and social issues - i. e. stuff that will affect everyone in the end.

10. verdverm ◴[01 Sep 24 17:21 UTC] No.41418579[source]▶
It will be built on the labeller tech aiui, so there can be many community notes providers and systems, with users deciding which they want to follow