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dgfitz ◴[] No.41412739[source]
Disclaimer: indifferent at best to musk, probably more dislike than anything else, but not with vitriol.

So I read that this is all because musk refused to appoint a Brazilian citizen as an X representative, as dictated by Brazilian law. I have not verified this part.

Musk refused because the last person to fill that role had all their bank accounts frozen by the judge.

The judge also cut off payments from Brazilian citizens to starlink, something about relating star link to x. so musk said “well then starlink is free for Brazilian citizens because I don’t want to cut people off from their internet connection.” Or something like that.

Edit: blackeyedblitzar child comment of this has better information.

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blackeyeblitzar ◴[] No.41412952[source]
Not exactly. X had a local representative who was threatened by this judge issuing illegal censorship orders. It’s not that they refused to appoint a representative but that they had to get rid of all their employees and legal representation in Brazil because the judge was going after them as individuals, making it impossible for X to challenge what they viewed as unconstitutional orders to censor speech.

The root of the issue is that Alexandre de Moraes, a single justice on the Supreme Court, has been issuing secret orders to censor content, ban accounts, and jail people over political speech. This is unconstitutional in Brazil per article 5 of the 1988 constitution, so X refused the orders. Note that the text of the Brazilian constitution explicitly says that the freedom of expression is guaranteed without censorship (it mentions “censorship”). If they were legal orders they would have complied, as they have in other countries.

Also the “Musk refused” part isn’t accurate. Ultimately these decisions are made by Linda Yaccarino, CEO of X.

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1. vaidhy ◴[] No.41412993[source]
We are talking about the same Elon who tweeted the picture of the judge behind bars in an masterful attempt to resolve the issue, right?
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2. gradus_ad ◴[] No.41413009[source]
Is that relevant to the illegality of Moraes' secret censorship campaign?
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3. croes ◴[] No.41413074[source]
Is it censorship to block accounts of people who want to overthrow the government?
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4. anankaie ◴[] No.41413127{3}[source]
Yes, it is; governments do not have a magic right to never be questioned or even advocated against.
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5. croes ◴[] No.41413160{4}[source]
A military coup d'état is unconstitutional in nearly every country, to prevent that and protect the intended way of change of government isn't a magical right but simply a duty of the government.

And Musk didn't fight as hard in India or Turkey for accounts of people that did far less.

There's obviously a bias, I wonder why?

https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-jair-bolsonaro-spacex-s...

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6. srackey ◴[] No.41413204[source]
He’s being shaken down by an authoritarian no different than anyone in Russia, you think he should have tried asking nicely instead?
7. throwadobe ◴[] No.41413458[source]
"secret censorship campaign" [citation needed]
8. nine_k ◴[] No.41413489[source]
If the judge's orders clearly contradict the constitution, it's pretty logical to suggest that these would lead him to a jail.

There are various ways to resolve a conflict; to comply to your opponent's demands just because he happens to hold a high enough office is but one of these ways. Complying to unlawful orders so as to preserve profits is often seen as corruption. Sometimes the best way to resolve a conflict correctly is to take a stand.

9. blackeyeblitzar ◴[] No.41413554{5}[source]
The actual act of a coup is unconstitutional in probably every country. But talking about a coup is not unconstitutional in many countries. For example in the US, seditious speech is protected.

Anyways, Alexandre de Moraes - the Supreme Court justice in this situation - is acting unconstitutionally in multiple ways. Issuing orders to censor, ban, or arrest in secret is depriving the victims of due process and the public of accountability. He also said himself that he is not getting his powers from law but from what the other court he sits on gave him as a new power, which is just a made up legal invention on his part. How can a court make up legal powers, when that is meant to come from the constitution and legislation?

> And Musk didn't fight as hard in India or Turkey for accounts of people that did far less.

You are one among many attempting the whataboutism of bringing up Turkey and India, even though it has no bearing on what is happening in Brazil. I don’t agree with censorship in any of these cases. However, Twitter/X has publicly stated that their policy is to comply with local laws in each country. The difference is in the legality of orders per that country’s own laws. In Brazil, there is a right to freedom of expression without censorship, per article 5 of the constitution. Also another difference is that the censorship orders here were done in secret - like with gag orders that make it invisible to the public - and this is both highly unethical but also makes this judge unaccountable and difficult to challenge.

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10. croes ◴[] No.41414950{6}[source]
>But talking about a coup is not unconstitutional in many countries. For example in the US, seditious speech is protected.

Unless you were already part in an attempt than it's more likely you aren't just express your opinion but coordinate your next attempt over social media.

Free speech has limit. Just look at Charles Manson, he didn't kill anybody but he talked others into.

You wouldn't call Russian orders through Telegram free speech, would you?

The same entity behaves differently on the same issue but from different requester.

By your logic every complain about racism is whataboutism.

"Why got the black man jailed for drug possession but white man got probation?

"Whataboutism!!!"