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netsec_burn ◴[] No.41276529[source]
I've used wormhole once to move a 70 GB file. Couldn't possibly do that before. And yes, I know I used the bandwidth of the relay server, I donated to Debian immediately afterwards (they run the relay for the version in the apt package).
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lotharrr ◴[] No.41276769[source]
(magic-wormhole author here)

Thanks for making a donation!

I run the relay server, but the Debian maintainer agreed to bake an alternate hostname into the packaged versions (a CNAME for the same address that the upstream git code uses), so we could change it easily if the cost ever got to be a burden. It hasn't been a problem so far, it moves 10-15 TB per month, but shares a bandwidth pool with other servers I'm renting anyways, so I've only ever had to pay an overage charge once. And TBH if someone made a donation to me, I'd just send it off to Debian anyways.

Every once in a while, somebody moves half a terabyte through it, and then I think I should either move to a slower-but-flat-rate provider, or implement some better rate-limiting code, or finally implement the protocol extension where clients state up front how much data they're going to transfer, and the server can say no. But so far it's never climbed the priority ranking high enough to take action on.

Thanks for using magic wormhole!

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password4321 ◴[] No.41276954[source]
> move to a slower-but-flat-rate provider

As I'm sure you're aware: https://www.scaleway.com/en/stardust-instances/ "up to 100Mbps" for $4/month

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lysace ◴[] No.41277059[source]
32.4 TB for $4, or approximately 700 times cheaper than AWS. Neat.
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seinecle ◴[] No.41277570[source]
Bare metal love
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gruez ◴[] No.41279100[source]
It's clearly a VPS, not bare metal.
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lysace ◴[] No.41279178[source]
I wonder what it would take for AWS to lower their outbound BW pricing to something that's not insane.

I'm beginning to think that the only feasible solution is changing the law.

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freeopinion ◴[] No.41279472[source]
I'm suffering from fatigue from all the political commercials in which every single Democrat apparently single-handedly reduced the price of insulin. As if government-mandated pricing were a good thing.

If something is overpriced, somebody should jump in and take advantage of a business opportunity. If nobody is jumping in, perhaps the item is not overpriced. Or perhaps there is some systemic issue preventing willing competitors from jumping in. Imagine if somebody tackled the real issue and it unclogged the plumbing for producers of all sorts of medicine beside insulin at the same time.

If a government mandates the sale of an item below the cost of production, they drive out all producers and that product disappears from the market. That is, unless they create some government subsidy or other graft to compensate the government-appointed winners. Any way you slice it, it is a recipe for disaster.

If parties are allowed to compete fairly with each other, somebody will offer a cheaper price. This is already the case with AWS. Consumers may decide that the cheaper product is somehow inferior, but that is not a problem that lawmakers should interfere in.

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1. linsomniac ◴[] No.41279922[source]
Interesting you should choose insulin, as it's made by ~3 companies, and 2002-2013 the price went up 6x, while the price of the inputs dropped. ISTR that right after that it went up another 3x to over $300/vial. Thankfully, I only needed a vial once every few months, it was for my cat.

"Evergreening", a process where the drug manufacturers slightly change the formula or delivery when one patent is running out, to gain a new patent, then stop manufacturing the old formula.

Not saying I want to see AWS bandwidth prices regulated (though I think they could come down and still make a massive profit). But in the case of insulin, the industry has left little choice but government intervention.

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2. freeopinion ◴[] No.41279991[source]
So all the politicians pat themselves on the back without fixing the real problem. Instead, they just add one problem on top of another.
3. ekianjo ◴[] No.41280164[source]
> But in the case of insulin, the industry has left little choice but government intervention.

drugs are not made without government approval or something. the FDA tells you what you can or cannot do.

4. AuryGlenz ◴[] No.41280383[source]
Except in insulin’s case all they did was cap out of pocket costs, meaning insurance takes up the rest of the bill…which means the rest of us pay for it - and worse yet, it effectively stops any pressure on those companies to lower prices. That’s both political pressure and market pressure. Why the hell would anyone care or use cheaper insulin now?