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The surveilled society: Who is watching you and how

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199 points billybuckwheat | 1 comments | 11 Aug 24 00:20 UTC | HN request time: 1.137s | source
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kkfx ◴[11 Aug 24 07:58 UTC] No.41214643[source]▶
The surveillance problem is a matter of balance problem: if we are all able to surveil all others or none is able to surveil essentially anyone else forces are balanced there are only marginal issues. If someone can surveil nearly all but nearly all can't surveil the small cohort who surveil them than forces are not balanced.

Surveillance per se might be useful, let's say you want to know how much live traffic is there in your planned trip, alerts for incidents, natural phenomenon and so on. The issue is just the balance of forces and what can be done in case of unbalanced forces those who hold the knife from the handle side.

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mylastattempt ◴[11 Aug 24 08:34 UTC] No.41214816[source]▶
Balance is definately not _the_ problem. I am not willing to exchange my information for access to someone else's information. Both should be private.
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1. kkfx ◴[11 Aug 24 12:16 UTC] No.41215650[source]▶
It is, because the willingness it's largely irrelevant, there are countless information about you left here and there. Of course ideally we have to choose a trade-off between the need of sharing and the will to keep things private, but the point is what we really have or not.

I like having Google Street View, I do not like have my gate on it but that's the trade off, I like Street View so I have to accept having my door on it as well. The point is who own what. If StreetView is like OpenStreetMaps it's a thing, if it's a private service where the owner decide what to keep and what to publish than there's a problem.

I like being able to see my car's cam from remote, but that means others cars owners will see me walking around as well, that's an acceptable trade off if it's balanced (anyone can see his/her own car's cams) it's far less acceptable if vendors can see and sell streaming cams, owners depend of them to partially see or not their cam streams.