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1. xrd ◴[] No.41213941[source]
Is there really anything to do? Everyone is constantly uploading photos of my kids to Instagram and that's generating the same surveillance dragnet all these other things are building.

I don't see a way to opt-out without plastic surgery.

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2. Gigachad ◴[] No.41213999[source]
Individual action will never do anything on this. It has to come from privacy laws, the GDPR was a good step, but we need to go further.

Make storing personal data like storing hazardous material. Something you absolutely avoid if possible, and treat with extreme care when you absolutely must store it.

Unfortunately the users of this site would rather tell you to move to the woods, go off grid, and paint dazzle camouflage on your face before admitting that a solution has to come from society rather than the individual.

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3. talldayo ◴[] No.41214074[source]
Your comment makes it sound like everyone's PII just spontaneously generates itself on platforms. The problem is that it's not how it works; individual action is what puts your information on adversarial platforms. Personal privacy is the sum of your actions, and the steps you take individually to not share your details with hundreds of people goes a long ways stopping that.

If you want to scare businesses, ban arbitration clauses and other self-absolving Terms of Service. It won't stop Pornhub from getting hacked but it will make their lawyers piss themselves imagining the consequences. Trying to enforce SOC2 on the entire internet is an exercise in futility that will end with Russian hackers selling your credit card to teenagers.

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4. matheusmoreira ◴[] No.41214402{3}[source]
> ban arbitration clauses and other self-absolving Terms of Service

Society really needs to do this as soon as possible. These businesses give themselves the right to do anything they want by putting some clause in some document nobody reads.

5. Lerc ◴[] No.41214412[source]
It's worth noting that this article is from New Zealand which has a privacy act that offers a degree of protection.

https://www.privacy.org.nz/privacy-act-2020/privacy-principl...

The concern is (as always) when the law is not adhered to by those tasked with enforcing it.

I'm tired of hearing minimizing language like "Police now admit their actions were not consistent with the law" and that being the end of the matter.

6. Nextgrid ◴[] No.41214604[source]
GDPR is not a good start. GDPR is a joke due to its lack of enforcement, and I'd argue it gives people a false sense of security.

Not only we have (non-compliant) consent flows that destroyed user experience everywhere (without improving privacy in any way, since again they're not compliant and not actually designed to give you privacy), but the lack of enforcement means companies can now claim various things as GDPR compliant, knowing full well nobody is going to actually examine this claim (and if they do, the resulting consequences will be negligible) to give their users/customers a false sense of security.

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7. idle_zealot ◴[] No.41214608{3}[source]
> Personal privacy is the sum of your actions, and the steps you take individually to not share your details with hundreds of people goes a long ways stopping that.

Of course it doesn't appear "spontaneously," it's the result of your actions and others' actions, hence the "cabin in the woods" solution. The commenter is implying that expecting each individual to carefully act to preserve their online privacy clearly isn't producing good outcomes, and would like to see collective action through regulation to encourage better outcomes.

> If you want to scare businesses, ban arbitration clauses and other self-absolving Terms of Service.

That is one potential way to implement the suggested "hazardous material" policy. If storage of any data opens a business up to legal action with teeth then they'll stop risking the storage of such data outside of when the benefit to them outweighs the potential risk. Ideally the risk would be such that it becomes standard practice to process data on-device and design protocols and services such that only the absolute minimum required amount of information leaves end-user devices.

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8. fsflover ◴[] No.41214991[source]
> Individual action will never do anything on this.

Except supporting NGOs fighting against the surveillance: https://eff.org, https://edri.org.

9. fsflover ◴[] No.41214996{3}[source]
> GDPR is not a good start. GDPR is a joke due to its lack of enforcement

These two statements are contradictory. You can't have a good enforcement without implementing a reasonable law first, which GDPR is.

10. eltoxo ◴[] No.41215180{4}[source]
My understanding of data fusion is that it wouldn't matter much what you do.

If you live in the modern world you are producing data about your actions and that data is going to be collected.