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8organicbits ◴[] No.41205729[source]
My biggest frustration with .internal is that it requires a private certificate authority. Lots of organizations struggle to fully set up trust for the private CA on all internal systems. When you add BYOD or contractor systems, it's a mess.

Using a publicly valid domain offers a number of benefits, like being able to use a free public CA like Lets Encrypt. Every machine will trust your internal certificates out of the box, so there is minimal toil.

Last year I built getlocalcert [1] as a free way to automate this approach. It allows you to register a subdomain, publish TXT records for ACME DNS certificate validation, and use your own internal DNS server for all private use.

[1] https://www.getlocalcert.net/

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yjftsjthsd-h ◴[] No.41206513[source]
Do you mean to say that your biggest frustration with HTTPS on .internal is that it requires a private certificate authority? Because I'm running plain HTTP to .internal sites and it works fine.
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j1elo ◴[] No.41206657[source]
Try running anything more complicated than a plain and basic web server! See what happens if you attempt to serve something that browsers deem to require a mandatory "Secure Context", so they will reject running it when using HTTP.

For example, you won't be able to run internal videocalls (no access to webcams!), or a web page able to scan QR codes.

Here's the full list:

* https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Security/Secure...

A true hassle for internal testing between hosts, to be honest. I just cannot run an in-development video app on my PC and connect from a phone or laptop to do some testing, without first worrying about certs at a point in development where they are superfluous and a loss of time.

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akira2501 ◴[] No.41206727[source]
localhost is a secure context. so.. presumably we're just waiting for .internal to be added to the white list.
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Too ◴[] No.41208009[source]
No. The concept of a DMZ died decades ago. You could still be MITM within your company intranet. Any system designed these days should follow zero-trust principles.
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1. bigstrat2003 ◴[] No.41213871[source]
> The concept of a DMZ died decades ago.

That is very much not true. Most corporate networks I've ever been on trust the internal network. Whether or not you think they should, they do.