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ryukoposting ◴[] No.41195070[source]
I can't imagine someone using an RP2040 in a real product, but the RP2350 fixes enough of my complaints that I'd be really excited to give it a shot.

There's a lot going for the 2040, don't get me wrong. TBMAN is a really cool concept. It overclocks like crazy. PIO is truly innovative, and it's super valuable for boatloads of companies looking to replace their 8051s/whatever with a daughterboard-adapted ARM core.

But, for every cool thing about the RP2040, there was a bad thing. DSP-level clock speeds but no FPU, and no hardware integer division. A USB DFU function embedded in boot ROM is flatly undesirable in an MCU with no memory protection. PIO support is extremely limited in third-party SDKs like Zephyr, which puts a low ceiling on its usefulness in large-scale projects.

The RP2350 fixes nearly all of my complaints, and that's really exciting.

PIO is a really cool concept, but relying on it to implement garden-variety peripherals like CAN or SDMMC immediately puts RP2350 at a disadvantage. The flexibility is very cool, but if I need to get a product up and running, the last thing I want to do is fiddle around with a special-purpose assembly language. My hope is that they'll eventually provide a library of ready-made "soft peripherals" for common things like SD/MMC, MII, Bluetooth HCI, etc. That would make integration into Zephyr (and friends) easier, and it would massively expand the potential use cases for the chip.

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1. valdiorn ◴[] No.41200125[source]
> I can't imagine someone using an RP2040 in a real product

Why not? It's a great chip, even if it has some limitations. I use it in several of my pro audio products (a midi controller, a Eurorack module, and a series of guitar pedals). they are absolutely perfect as utility chips, the USB stack is good, the USB bootloader makes it incredibly easy for customers to update the firmware without me having to write a custom bootloader.

I've shipped at least a thousand "real" products with an RP2040 in them.

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2. ryukoposting ◴[] No.41206561[source]
Given the way the RP2040 is set up, I cannot conceive of a proper secure boot chain for it. So, for basically everything I work on professionally, it's a non-starter. I think the key in your use case is that "hackability" is a feature, not a potentially life-threatening risk.