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    700 points elipsitz | 15 comments | | HN request time: 1.05s | source | bottom
    1. elipsitz ◴[] No.41191100[source]
    Can’t find an official announcement or datasheet yet, but according to this post:

    * 2x Cortex-M33F * improved DMA * more and improved PIO * external PSRAM support * variants with internal flash (2MB) and 80 pins (!) * 512KiB ram (double) * some RISC-V cores? Low power maybe?

    Looks like a significant jump over the RP2040!

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    2. zrail ◴[] No.41192138[source]
    This is pretty exciting. Can't wait for the datasheet!
    3. dave78 ◴[] No.41192255[source]
    Pico 2, using the 2350, seems to be announced:

    https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-pico-2/

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    5. repelsteeltje ◴[] No.41192281[source]
    ... And RP2354A/B even has 2MB built in flash!
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    7. jsheard ◴[] No.41192456[source]
    Only $1 more than the original Pico, that's an absolute steal. Although the Pico2 doesn't have PSRAM onboard so there's room for higher end RP235x boards above it.
    8. HeyLaughingBoy ◴[] No.41192875[source]
    Make one in an Arduino Uno form factor and double the price and they'd make a killing :-)

    I try to dissuade n00bs from starting their arduino journey with the ancient AVR-based devices, but a lot of the peripherals expect to plug into an Uno.

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    9. KaiserPro ◴[] No.41192896[source]
    I'm hoping that its got much better power management. That would be really cool for me.
    10. moffkalast ◴[] No.41193402{3}[source]
    Well there's the UNO-R4 Renasas I suppose, but this would be much cooler indeed. There's also the 2040 Connect in the Nano form factor with the extra IMU.
    11. ta988 ◴[] No.41193428{3}[source]
    Look at the adafruit metro then. They just announced the rp2350 version
    12. dgacmu ◴[] No.41198083[source]
    Small (0.5 bits effective) improvement to the ADC also, per the datasheet.
    13. andylinpersonal ◴[] No.41201737[source]
    Indeed an in-package winbond flash die though.
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    14. jacobmarble ◴[] No.41209671{3}[source]
    Please explain. What is a better alternative that could have been chosen?

    I’m just happy to have one fewer component on my boards.

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    15. jercos ◴[] No.41219074{4}[source]
    Downside is it occupies a CS on the QSPI controller, presumably bonding to the same pads as the QSPI pins on the package, so now you only have one external memory IC. It's a very small tradeoff all things considered, but is still technically a tiny disadvantage over highly integrated MCUs.

    A potential alternative would have been a directly memory-mapped NOR flash die, but that would have required more bond wires, more dedicated pads on the die, a port on the bus, and on top of that the memory die would have been more expensive too.

    An older (and often impractical) alternative is to use a single die with both flash and SoC on, in the same process. This usually forces a larger-than-desired process node to match the flash technology, making the SoC take up more space. The result requires no extra bond wires or pads, but now you're really manufacturing a flash chip with an MCU attached.