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517 points ingve | 2 comments | 26 Jul 24 18:29 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source
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jclulow ◴[26 Jul 24 23:28 UTC] No.41083229[source]▶
An incredibly long ramp up to complaining about centralised control by rent seekers (a very reasonable complaint!) which gets bogged down in some ostensibly unrelated shade about whether client-server computing makes sense (it does) or is itself somehow responsible for the rent seeking (it isn't; you can seek rent on proprietary peer to peer systems as well!) to then arrive at:

> There’s going to be a new world of haves and have-nots. Where in 1970 you had or didn’t have a mainframe, and in 1995 you had or didn’t have the Internet, and today you have or don’t have a TLS cert, tomorrow you’ll have or not have Tailscale. And if you don’t, you won’t be able to run apps that only work in a post-Tailscale world.

The king is dead, long live the king!

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cookiengineer ◴[28 Jul 24 03:47 UTC] No.41091099[source]▶
Honestly, I kind of missed Hamachi in the last decades.

It was such a superb and easy to use tool to design/configure your own private networks at the time. Filesharing, local game LANs, development cooperation, heck, even media streaming was so easily done at the time.

Personally I think that the future of peer to peer isn't tailscale, it's more someting along the lines of a selfhosted hamachi variant that's able to put generically nodes together from all across different NATs and ASNs, generically understanding NAT breaking techniques and STUN/TURN/turtle routing.

A tool like this that could also allow remote users to chime in without a centralized VPN gateway would be a killer feature for the modern world.

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1. wmf ◴[28 Jul 24 04:18 UTC] No.41091192[source]▶
That sounds a lot like Headscale.
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2. cookiengineer ◴[28 Jul 24 06:59 UTC] No.41091692[source]▶
The issue I have with tailscale/headscale is that its focus isn't being an end user app that people can start on demand.

Hamachi was different because a child could use it (literally). It was designed like an instant messenger, and you could easily create groups and invite friends for a LAN party. No IP masks, no hashes, none of that complicated stuff was necessary.

I'd only see maybe a tool that was built on top of headscale that could do that, but headscale's focus is too far off for something like that, and in my opinion too low level.