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teddyh ◴[] No.41084227[source]
The eternal problem with companies like Tailscale (and Cloudflare, Google, etc. etc.) is that, by solving a problem with the modern internet which the internet should have been designed to solve by itself, like simple end-to-end secure connectivity, Tailscale becomes incentivized to keep the problem. What the internet would need is something like IPv6 with automatic encryption via IPsec, with PKI provided by DNSSEC. But Tailscale has every incentive to prevent such things to be widely and compatibly implemented, because it would destroy their business. Their whole business depends on the problem persisting.

(Repost of <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38570370>)

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viraptor ◴[] No.41085022[source]
Zerotier does kind of that. It's a tunnel, but also the traffic is direct (unless double Nat is involved) and if you could route the traffic directly to the endpoint IPs, you can skip zt. The location service can be self-hosted if you want. You don't have to use them as a service if you don't want to. Apart from dnssec it's pretty much what you're asking for.
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lockywolf ◴[] No.41085255[source]
Double NAT is now almost everywhere in the world, except maybe USA.
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viraptor ◴[] No.41085472[source]
What kind of Nat though? You can use upnp, predictable mapping, etc. and still allow the traffic through. And that's only with ipv4, because you can run zerotier over IPv6.
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1. p_l ◴[] No.41086423[source]
You can't over double NAT because the second layer of NAT is not going to support UPnP