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figassis ◴[26 Jul 24 23:11 UTC] No.41083146[source]▶
I love Tailscale, but this post gives me the creeps. The internet succeeded because it was built on standards and was completely free. With Tailscale, I get wireguard is open source and we have things like Headscale. But the whole everyone gets an IP, doesn’t it depend on Tailscale owning a massive ip address space? We can all wait until full ipv6 rollout, or we can depend on centralized ipv4, and servers and proprietary stuff. Maybe a bit hypocritical?
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jgalt212 ◴[26 Jul 24 23:28 UTC] No.41083232[source]▶
If you had to move off of tailscale, what would you move to?
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OJFord ◴[26 Jul 24 23:33 UTC] No.41083267[source]▶
Zerotier is I think the obvious answer? I haven't used it though; it's more proprietary, not less.
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viraptor ◴[27 Jul 24 07:47 UTC] No.41085084[source]▶
Kinda? It works great in practice. You can run your own controllers if you want which completely disconnects you from the proprietary service. But the code is BSL.
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1. OJFord ◴[27 Jul 24 10:25 UTC] No.41085605{3}[source]▶
I didn't mean to suggest it doesn't work well, as I said I've not used it.

It's still proprietary if you self-host it, I was thinking in particular that tailscale uses Wireguard and Zerotier uses something custom, i.e. proprietary. Note that the context was:

> The internet succeeded because it was built on standards and was completely free. With Tailscale, I get wireguard is open source and we have things like Headscale. But [...]

to which the commenter I replied to asked of alternatives. So I wasn't saying tailscale great and open and standards compliant, and Zerotier not; I was saying it's the obvious competitor but if that's your problem with tailscale then it's if anything worse in that regard.