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Bayesian Statistics: The three cultures

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thegginthesky ◴[] No.41080693[source]
I miss the college days where professors would argue endlessly on Bayesian vs Frequentist.

The article is very well succinct and even explains why even my Bayesian professors had different approaches to research and analysis. I never knew about the third camp, Pragmatic Bayes, but definitely is in line with a professor's research that was very through on probability fit and the many iteration to get the prior and joint PDF just right.

Andrew Gelman has a very cool talk "Andrew Gelman - Bayes, statistics, and reproducibility (Rutgers, Foundations of Probability)", which I highly recommend for many Data Scientists

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RandomThoughts3 ◴[] No.41080979[source]
I’m always puzzled by this because while I come from a country where the frequentist approach generally dominates, the fight with Bayesian basically doesn’t exist. That’s just a bunch of mathematical theories and tools. Just use what’s useful.

I’m still convinced that Americans tend to dislike the frequentist view because it requires a stronger background in mathematics.

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runarberg ◴[] No.41081328[source]
I think the distaste Americans have to frequentists has much more to do with history of science. The Eugenics movement had a massive influence on science in America a and they used frequentist methods to justify (or rather validate) their scientific racism. Authors like Gould brought this up in the 1980s, particularly in relation to factor analysis and intelligence testing, and was kind of proven right when Hernstein and Murray published The Bell Curve in 1994.

The p-hacking exposures of the 1990s only fermented the notion that it is very easy to get away with junk science using frequentest methods to unjustly validate your claims.

That said, frequentists are still the default statistics in social sciences, which ironically is where the damage was the worst.

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1. TeaBrain ◴[] No.41082808[source]
I don't think the guy's basic assertion is true that frequentist statistics is less favored in American academia.
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2. runarberg ◴[] No.41083165[source]
I’m not actually in any statistician circles (although I did work at a statistical startup that used Kalman Filters in Reykjavík 10 years ago; and I did dropout from learning statistics in University of Iceland).

But what I gathered after moving to Seattle is that Bayesian statistics are a lot more trendy (accepted even) here west of the ocean. Frequentists is very much the default, especially in hypothesis testing, so you are not wrong. However I’m seeing a lot more Bayesian advocacy over here than I did back in Iceland. So I’m not sure my parent is wrong either, that Americans tend to dislike frequentist methods, at least more than Europeans do.