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notepad0x90 ◴[] No.41031421[source]
I'd like to see a proper journalistic investigation into every other EDR sensor on Linux as well. I really hate it when supposed journalists look for an angle and pursue it without critical thinking.

But they could be right, they may have an issue in their engineering department recently.

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Speaking of,I wanted to mention a slightly related observation I've had recently scrolling through twitter (unfortunately) looking for information on this crisis. There are a lot of people who at least know enough technical jargon to probably work in IT or technology but they're using arguments like "it must be because of a DEI hire", for those who are unaware they're using "DEI" as a replacement for a hard-r N-word. In other words, I just learned that blatant racists are not a rarity in our corner of the world. If you're not one of them, I wanted to inform you of what they really mean. Fortunately I haven't seen this on HN so far :)

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1. EnigmaFlare ◴[] No.41032672[source]
Don't be so quick to assume racism. You don't see people blaming Microsoft's cock-ups on Indians who are not DEI hires but would be a valid target for racists. I think blaming DEI hires for problems is mostly people who don't like the idea of hiring based on race/gender/etc. and who also realize that if you do that hard enough, you're bound to get inferior people because you're limiting your hiring pool. Of course companies that pay low salaries are also limiting their hiring pool and also bound to get inferior people. There are plenty of complaints about that too - if a famously low-paying big consultancy company (IBM?) has a cock-up, it's often blamed on their low pay.
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2. regularfry ◴[] No.41032800[source]
> I think blaming DEI hires for problems is mostly people who don't like the idea of hiring based on race/gender/etc. and who also realize that if you do that hard enough, you're bound to get inferior people because you're limiting your hiring pool.

Wherever I've seen diversity initiatives, the point is to expand the hiring pool, not shrink it. In other words this is people who, for whatever reason, want to portray the situation as precisely the opposite of what it is.

3. plesner ◴[] No.41032919[source]
> I think blaming DEI hires for problems is mostly people who don't like the idea of hiring based on race/gender/etc. and who also realize that if you do that hard enough, you're bound to get inferior people because you're limiting your hiring pool.

Isn't that exactly the problem though: hiring is currently based on race/gender in favor of white/male hard enough that you get interior people from that hiring pool?

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4. notepad0x90 ◴[] No.41033318[source]
no, not in tech companies and certainly not at crowdstrike. lookup people who work there and you'll see. In cybersecurity, the talent pool is so small you can't even pick and choose like that even if you wanted to.
5. SoftTalker ◴[] No.41035170[source]
"Must be a DEI hire" is also a zero-effort meme response that will reliably get upvoted by at least some subset of followers/readers. A lot of the time it's no more than that.
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6. notepad0x90 ◴[] No.41036082[source]
I disagree, it is 100% racism. See, you're talking about DEI and it's merits instead of how in this context there is no reason to even bring up DEI. The point of me mentioning this is for people like you who think they just disagree with DEI, that isn't the case. The far right is using "DEI" to mean n-word just like they did with the whole "woke" thing. Look at Kamala Harris, and how they're calling her a DEI VP/nominee or the USSS chief being a woman and them saying it's because of "DEI", and look at the post history of the people that are saying this and then tell me they are not racists substituting n-word or any other "you know what I really mean" slurs with "DEI".

Imagine if any minority or woman was involved in any crowdstrike team that had anything to do with this outage and consider how the DEI debate is being raised in that context. If those people are hired, does it make them a DEI hire by default? of course not! that is silly, that's not even what DEI is. It is a slur in this context, nothing short of it.

I wouldn't be saying this if DEI was in any way relevant to the topic at hand, then we can discuss how DEI was to blame. Honestly, I don't even agree with the corporate approach of DEI, but bringing it up in this context would indeed be racism. Imagine making a mistake and someone say "this is what you get for allowing white privilege" is that fair? is that not racism? that's what's happening here. Everyone deserves fair treatment.

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7. notepad0x90 ◴[] No.41036101[source]
What upset me was not the trolling, they say the actual hard-r n-word all the time on twitter with no consequence. It is them actually going into technical details and then using that slur.
8. EnigmaFlare ◴[] No.41041591[source]
We must hang out in different places. Are you seeing all that racism directly or had it been curated and presented to you by leftists to show off how racist rightists are? That's a big problem with social media - highlighting the extremes of the other side which most members of the other side don't even know about.
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9. notepad0x90 ◴[] No.41042978{3}[source]
This is specifically an alt-right thing, twitter is taken over by them thanks to Elon who is also alt-right, so you'll see this on there.