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CrowdStrike's Falcon Sensor also linked to Linux kernel panics and crashes

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158 points kenjackson | 7 comments | 22 Jul 24 02:22 UTC | HN request time: 1.222s | source | bottom
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notepad0x90 ◴[22 Jul 24 06:27 UTC] No.41031421[source]▶
I'd like to see a proper journalistic investigation into every other EDR sensor on Linux as well. I really hate it when supposed journalists look for an angle and pursue it without critical thinking.

But they could be right, they may have an issue in their engineering department recently.

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Speaking of,I wanted to mention a slightly related observation I've had recently scrolling through twitter (unfortunately) looking for information on this crisis. There are a lot of people who at least know enough technical jargon to probably work in IT or technology but they're using arguments like "it must be because of a DEI hire", for those who are unaware they're using "DEI" as a replacement for a hard-r N-word. In other words, I just learned that blatant racists are not a rarity in our corner of the world. If you're not one of them, I wanted to inform you of what they really mean. Fortunately I haven't seen this on HN so far :)

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Rinzler89 ◴[22 Jul 24 06:47 UTC] No.41031538[source]▶
>I just learned that blatant racists are not a rarity in our corner of the world.

That's what you get if you browse Twitter. Stay off mainstream Twitter for your own sanity.

> Fortunately I haven't seen this on HN so far :)

Here people just blame offshore workers for this bug or other such critical bugs, as if US workers don't make mistakes. Peoples' egos are just unbelievable. If it's not DEI developers, then it must be those filthy foreign programmers from developing nations responsible for poor quality software and I've even seen here mentioned that Windows worldwide dominance also be blamed on SW devs from developing nations for being too poor to own Macs. I despise this "holier than thou" mentality of some privileged tech workers.

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shiroiushi ◴[22 Jul 24 08:32 UTC] No.41032032[source]▶
>Windows worldwide dominance also be blamed on SW devs from developing nations for being too poor to own Macs.

Linux has been a viable alternative for decades now for many tasks. This problem wasn't caused by a lack of money. If you want to blame someone for the dominance of Windows, blame corporations and managers, because they're the ones that have chosen it. SW devs from developing nations have only been doing what they perceived to be in their best economic interest.

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Rinzler89 ◴[22 Jul 24 09:21 UTC] No.41032347[source]▶
>Linux has been a viable alternative for decades now for many tasks.

For decades?! Maybe on the servers, but on PCs, hardly. Also, even if that may be the case now, it doesn't change the fact that at your job they'll most likely use Windows not Linux on the workstations. Linux is king on the servers, but PCs everywhere will mostly still be Windows, especially in corporate environments.

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1. shiroiushi ◴[22 Jul 24 09:51 UTC] No.41032551[source]▶
>For decades?! Maybe on the servers, but on PCs, hardly.

While it wasn't as easy as it is today, I've been running Linux on my home desktop since around 1999. It's never been that hard, and it did require more careful hardware selection (no, you can't just grab some random dirt-cheap piece-of-shit "winprinter" and expect it to work with Linux), but it's always been quite doable for anyone who claims to be skilled with computers. We're talking about IT workers here, not grandma.

>at your job they'll most likely use Windows not Linux on the workstations

This is exactly my point in my prior post.

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2. Rinzler89 ◴[22 Jul 24 10:51 UTC] No.41032957[source]▶
>I've been running Linux on my home desktop since around 1999

Personal anecdotes are not statistics or cases representative for the average user or business. What others do with their systems and their requirements and apps could be very different than yours. You think if Linux was that usable at everything in 1999 companies and individuals wouldn't have loves to use that instead of paying thousand of dollars to Microsoft?

Just because you could set it up and use it in 1999 doesn't mean it was the norm. Some people know how to change their own oil while most don't and don't care to since they prefer to pay someone else to do it as they have other hobbies than learning to tinker with their car. Similarly some people like you like to thinker and find out how to get Linux to work in 1999 while most prefer to just pay to use Windows NT/MacOS and get to work.

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3. krzyk ◴[22 Jul 24 12:14 UTC] No.41033539[source]▶
> You think if Linux was that usable at everything in 1999 companies and individuals wouldn't have loves to use that instead of paying thousand of dollars to Microsoft?

Inertia is a strong force in corporations. I wouldn't count on reason there, inertia triumphs it.

Personal anecdotes is something that shows it can be done. In few corps I worked since 2004 I was also able to switch windows to linux (as many other developers there) and we didn't loose functionality. But I get it that for people that work mostly in excel it would be a blocker, as it doesn't have Linux version - so not all work could be done on Linux. But having options is good.

My current corp decided to give people a choice (after a decade of asking for it) and since 2 years we can choose between Windows, macOS and Linux.

(I'm still amazed that most developers chose macOS, as it is less power user friendly than Windows). Before I was the only one with Linux, now there are > 20% of us. And possibly more in the future when hardware will be upgaded.

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4. Rinzler89 ◴[22 Jul 24 13:37 UTC] No.41034228{3}[source]▶
>Personal anecdotes is something that shows it can be done.

Some people have built their own car from scratch in their garage that they use to drive to work, but it's unrealistic most people do that at scale, even though someone proved it's possible. The same way, why aren't you building your own car to daily drive and instead paying Ford/Toyota? Someone proved it's possible.

> In few corps I worked since 2004 I was also able to switch windows to linux

The vast majority of Windows/MacOS users are not SW-developers, nor to they have any deeper interest in tinkering with computers and learn Linux. They're content with what they're already familiar with.

You keep taking highly niche technical cases from your SW dev bubble and trying to extrapolate that experience as being mainstream when you're far from it. The photo studio or flower shop down the road in 2004 was no way gonna switch to Linux even if it was technically possible.

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5. SoftTalker ◴[22 Jul 24 15:04 UTC] No.41035286{3}[source]▶
The cost of a Windows license as a fraction of what it costs to staff a position in a corporate environment is not enough that it gets noticed or worried about. The costs of using Linux in terms of not being able to use standard software, not being able to hire administrators, having to train users who are unfamiliar with it, etc. just dwarfs any savings in license costs.
6. shiroiushi ◴[22 Jul 24 23:59 UTC] No.41041106[source]▶
>Similarly some people like you like to thinker and find out how to get Linux to work in 1999 while most prefer to just pay to use Windows NT/MacOS and get to work.

We're not talking about regular people here. Try reading the prior messages for context before commenting. We're talking about people who claim to be IT professionals. If they were really as smart as they claimed, they could have done the same thing I did easily. They didn't, not because they loved Windows that much (maybe they did, maybe they didn't, it's irrelevant), but because it was seen as essential for their career.

7. shiroiushi ◴[23 Jul 24 00:00 UTC] No.41041115{4}[source]▶
>You keep taking highly niche technical cases from your SW dev bubble and trying to extrapolate that experience as being mainstream

Why is it so hard for you to understand that we're not talking about average users here?