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londons_explore ◴[] No.40727286[source]
I wish designers of vehicles - particularly cars, trains and busses, would work to minimize jerk, snap and crackle.

Turns out if you minimize those, you get a far more comfortable ride. It matters far more than acceleration.

Finite element models of the whole system (tyres and suspension components and flexing elements of the vehicle body and road/track) can quickly allow analysis of the jerk, snap and crackle, and allow tuning of damping and drive system control loops to make a far more comfortable ride.

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amelius ◴[] No.40727304[source]
Do you have proof for that, or is this like audiophiles asking for gold connectors because "they make the sound better"?
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setopt ◴[] No.40727380[source]
Anecdotal evidence:

Ever experienced that a bus is braking (near-constant deacceleration), and people seem fine; but then the bus comes to a halt and thus stops deaccelerating, and people suddenly fall on the floor?

I think at least the derivative or acceleration is important for how well people can compensate. Not sure about higher derivatives though.

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amelius ◴[] No.40727607[source]
Acceleration equals force, so yeah, if you abruptly change acceleration then this equals abruptly changing the force on people in the bus. Acceleration should thus be continuous (not necessarily differentiable). I don't know how you would justify constraints on higher derivatives. Perhaps they mess with our own internal control mechanism?
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ccccccc1 ◴[] No.40727774{3}[source]
is it physically possible to have non-continuous acceleration?
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shagie ◴[] No.40727994{4}[source]
Imagine a multistage rocket and the changes in acceleration.

Figure 4-3 in https://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/Documents/lvfea-AS506-Apollo1... shows this for Apollo 11.

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zardo ◴[] No.40728398{5}[source]
I imagine if you zoom in far enough on those points you have the acceleration continuously changing as pressure slowly builds in the engines over several microseconds.
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shagie ◴[] No.40728487{6}[source]
I was thinking more of the instant you shut off engines and disconnect 130,000 kg of mass of stage one.

There is an interesting Δa/Δt while fuel is consumed and mass changes.

There are discontinuities to the graph when engines are shut down and stages decoupled.

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1. sokoloff ◴[] No.40729669{7}[source]
That’s the essence of a legitimate question: over small enough time periods (as the bolts explode over a non-zero period of time), is it continuous or discontinuous?

Over a macro scale, it’s discontinuous, of course.

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2. tomek_ycomb ◴[] No.40731312[source]
It's nature, it's continuous at small enough scales.

But, checkout Zeno's paradox for more on your philosophical questions