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londons_explore ◴[] No.40727286[source]
I wish designers of vehicles - particularly cars, trains and busses, would work to minimize jerk, snap and crackle.

Turns out if you minimize those, you get a far more comfortable ride. It matters far more than acceleration.

Finite element models of the whole system (tyres and suspension components and flexing elements of the vehicle body and road/track) can quickly allow analysis of the jerk, snap and crackle, and allow tuning of damping and drive system control loops to make a far more comfortable ride.

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amelius ◴[] No.40727304[source]
Do you have proof for that, or is this like audiophiles asking for gold connectors because "they make the sound better"?
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setopt ◴[] No.40727380[source]
Anecdotal evidence:

Ever experienced that a bus is braking (near-constant deacceleration), and people seem fine; but then the bus comes to a halt and thus stops deaccelerating, and people suddenly fall on the floor?

I think at least the derivative or acceleration is important for how well people can compensate. Not sure about higher derivatives though.

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amelius ◴[] No.40727607[source]
Acceleration equals force, so yeah, if you abruptly change acceleration then this equals abruptly changing the force on people in the bus. Acceleration should thus be continuous (not necessarily differentiable). I don't know how you would justify constraints on higher derivatives. Perhaps they mess with our own internal control mechanism?
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ccccccc1 ◴[] No.40727774{3}[source]
is it physically possible to have non-continuous acceleration?
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1. setopt ◴[] No.40728677{4}[source]
If we zoom in on a single electron absorbing the momentum of a single photon, it will accelerate “instantly”. The same goes for e.g. an unstable atomic nucleus that ”splits”.

At macroscopic scales, I’m not aware of exactly instantaneous acceleration, since you would need some time to “sync” the movement of each atom in the object. But some processes will of course look instantaneous at any given time scale.

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2. circuit10 ◴[] No.40750441[source]
Aren’t you describing infinite acceleration, or discontinuous velocity?