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Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

(threema.ch)
960 points andrew918277 | 1 comments | 18 Jun 24 08:49 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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romankolpak ◴[18 Jun 24 10:46 UTC] No.40716163[source]▶
I’m sorry if this is a stupid question, but I want to ask it because I see the same sentiment across HN and other forums and I’m legitimately confused.

If we don’t hijack privacy in messaging, how do we fight crime happening on a message platform? If government doesn’t have access to message contents, what’s stopping criminals from using the platform and never get tracked down? Or proven guilty, since all the proof is safely encrypted? Aren’t we hurting ourselves by being so obsessed with privacy? Again, I apologize for ignorance and am curious

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prasoonds ◴[18 Jun 24 11:25 UTC] No.40716456[source]▶
The criminals absolutely will move away to something that is outside government control. Many such apps already exist and you can run what you like on Android phones with custom ROMs.

Think about it - if you're a criminal, and you know about chat control, why would you risk your chats being leaked at all? Why wouldn't you use a different app that you know to be more secure (this already happens for any serious crime already btw)

It's precisely the law-abiding people whose privacy will be invaded for no-gain

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MzHN ◴[18 Jun 24 13:50 UTC] No.40717855[source]▶
Until possession and distribution of such apps becomes a crime in itself.

That's the only way to enforce it and there is history for it in cryptography export laws and anti-circumvention laws.

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swat535 ◴[18 Jun 24 22:33 UTC] No.40722795[source]▶
Criminals don't care about what is "legal", that's what makes the criminals in the first place and in any case, what are you going to do? Ban encryption entirely?

Perhaps we also should ban mathematics and books while we are at it? After all, criminals can read chemistry books and learn how to make explosives..

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1. tekknik ◴[19 Jun 24 14:06 UTC] No.40728437{3}[source]▶
Apparently the cartels in Mexico have discovered a way to mix crystal meth with gasoline, put it in a cars tank, drive it across the boarder then separate it from the gas for distribution. The process is supposedly currently unknown to science (I’m no chemist so can’t be sure).