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Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

(threema.ch)
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romankolpak ◴[18 Jun 24 10:46 UTC] No.40716163[source]▶
I’m sorry if this is a stupid question, but I want to ask it because I see the same sentiment across HN and other forums and I’m legitimately confused.

If we don’t hijack privacy in messaging, how do we fight crime happening on a message platform? If government doesn’t have access to message contents, what’s stopping criminals from using the platform and never get tracked down? Or proven guilty, since all the proof is safely encrypted? Aren’t we hurting ourselves by being so obsessed with privacy? Again, I apologize for ignorance and am curious

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1. gitaarik ◴[19 Jun 24 04:20 UTC] No.40724777[source]▶
You should't fight crime with other crime, that makes you no better than the other criminals and doesn't solve the problem of crime but only increases it, and doesn't make society safer. If you want crime to stop, you should at least give a good example and deal with it in a responsible manner, and not deal with it by being a criminal too. Then you just get society divided even more. It doesn't help anybody. You can't expect other people to cease their crime if you're doing it yourself. A better society starts with being responsible.

Crime should not be approved of, and "crime fighting crime" shouldn't magically get an exception.

"But crime X is way worse than crime Y fighting it".

Crime should certainly be punished, but you cannot punish someone before you can prove their wrongdoing. And we have a court system for that.

Punishing people before they're proven of wrongdoing is criminal in itself. You should't give a certain group of people allowance to put prison collars on others without them having done any crime. At least not if you want to live in a free society.