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Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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taylorius ◴[18 Jun 24 11:31 UTC] No.40716488[source]▶
This is the sort of stuff that made Brexit appealing to me. Remainers make out that we (UK) are xenophobic in some way, because we left the EU. No - we don't hate European people, they're great - we just hate the unelected, undemocratic, wannabe-communist institutions.
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latexr ◴[18 Jun 24 11:57 UTC] No.40716724[source]▶
You keep saying “we”, as if yours is the prevailing UK opinion. Not only was Brexit a close vote, people who voted to leave have largely been regretting it.

https://www.economist.com/britain/2024/04/11/why-most-people...

In the aftermath of Brexit I remember reading time and again of people who voted to leave and by doing so screwed up their own business (e.g. florists whose flowers come from abroad). They expressed nothing but regret.

So no, the UK didn’t vote leave because they “hate the unelected, undemocratic, wannabe-communist institutions”, they voted leave because they didn’t understand the big picture and were tricked by unscrupulous politicians making false claims (probably the most famous being that a lot more money would go into the national heath service).

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1. taylorius ◴[18 Jun 24 12:36 UTC] No.40717089[source]▶
I could say the same thing to you. You don't get to define "we" any more than I do. In fact my use of the collective "we" was directed primarily towards the claim of xenophobia - which definitely WAS an accusation thrown at people who supported Brexit. The thrust of my point was to single out the political ruling class in the EU for their refusal to listen to the opinion of their subjects. (I can't call them constituents, as that would imply some sort of representative democracy was taking place).

"So no, the UK didn’t vote leave because they “hate the unelected, undemocratic, wannabe-communist institutions”,"

Yes they very definitely did. The economic arguments were never the main drivers of Brexit. It was about national sovereignty, and electoral accountability - and this new Orwellian EU law, (enacted "for the children", of course) only serves to reinfoce that view.

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2. latexr ◴[18 Jun 24 12:49 UTC] No.40717211[source]▶
> this new Orwellian EU law

Yes yes, the UK doesn’t have those at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Safety_Act_2023

This is not a one-up game. Both laws suck, all governments (and systems of) have flaws. We should oppose them equally instead of pointing fingers and shrugging our shoulders.

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3. taylorius ◴[18 Jun 24 21:41 UTC] No.40722414[source]▶
Fair enough - that's true, for sure!