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mro_name ◴[] No.40715944[source]
I wonder how it can be legal to repeatedly undermine constitution and push or vote for later high-court-nullified laws and be allowed to repeat as if nothing was wrong with that. Like drunk driving forever. We ban counter-constitutional activities outside parliament and authorities. Why not inside?

I am much for 3-strikes here.

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JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.40716073[source]
> to repeatedly undermine constitution

The EU doesn’t have a constitution [1], simply enabling treaties [2].

The solution would be in ratifying a constitution.

> am much for 3-strikes here

Careful. A party in power will seek to nullify issues by putting forward and then defeating sham bills.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_establishing_a_Consti...

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaties_of_the_European_Uni...

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SEMW ◴[] No.40716233[source]
What problem here would be solved by ratifying a constitution?

Like -- ISTM that the relevant property here is the ability of the courts to overturn ordinary legislation for incompatibility with basic human rights provisions. But the EU already has this. the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the EU (which is pretty much a superset of the european convention on human rights) is incorporated into the Lisbon treaty, and all EU legislation must be compatible with it. EU courts have overturned legislation for incompatibility with the CFR, eg Digital Rights Ireland[0].

The collection of member state treaties is for ~all intents and purposes a constitution, just not in a single document, and without the word "constitution" at the top.

[0] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A...

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JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.40716333[source]
> What problem here would be solved by ratifying a constitution?

Admittedly, a narrow one: clearly delineating unconstitutional behaviour and allowing it to be called out.

> collection of member state treaties is for ~all intents and purposes a constitution, just not in a single document

That morass makes it difficult for the public to cleanly digest when something is blatantly unconstitutional. (Britain has a similar problem.)

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1. SEMW ◴[] No.40716525{3}[source]
> That morass makes it difficult for the public to cleanly digest when something is blatantly unconstitutional

I'm not convinced that's a relevant issue here. For some parts of EU treaty law, sure, but here the context here is disapplying EU legislation that's incompatible with fundamental human rights. Those parts are all in one document in one treaty: the Charter of Fundamental Rights[0], which was incorporated into the Lisbon treaty.

(besides, whether in the EU, somewhere with a formal constitution like the US, or the UK, the vast majority of the work of figuring out whether something is in breach of treaty / constitutional provisions is always going to be analysing caselaw)

[0] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/charter/pdf/text_en.pdf